Is this a ghost?

[RATTER15]

I mentioned in a previous thread about a photo I have with a "ghost" have a look and see what you think. I don't actually believe in ghosts but this photo has me questioning my belief just a little.

The photo was taken with a phone/camera, I know it has not been manipulated and I know the person who took the photo very well, she has never seen the the little girl in the back ground.

Im certainly not saying this is a ghost but I cant explain how this has happened either.

See the pic here.

http://i106.photobuck...erimaginaryfriend.jpg

[biglillypicker]

hope she's on commision for all pics she's been in!

[Ankou]

"I don't tend to talk about it on here because the ' scientific proof brigade' just launch into their usual ''if you can't prove it- it doesn't exist'' rants- which is not necessarily true."

are the 'does god exist' threads not the same ? yet the religious are expected to stand up to such scrutiny.

[flip_flop]

I may be wrong - I'm as certain as I can be that I'm not - but I may be.

But until I see proof, I cannot believe. Why does this bother some people?

It appears I'm meant to blindly accept that other people have seen ghosts, just on their say so, and yet because I'm not prepared to, this is seen as arrogance!

How odd.

[smurfchops]

Surely even if it was a ghost it would have appeared much higher in the photo. Looks like a double exposure to be and I'm a believer ! Dont believe in this one though. Take the phone to a phone shop and get it checked out.

[MarkRae]

^^ There's nothing wrong with the phone! The image has been placed there by an app.

[bravejordy]

About two years ago, somebody sent me this photo:

http://i59.photobucke.../bravejordy/Face_.jpg

[Ankou]

crikey. those curtains!

[pa___ul3]

eurgh! that took me a while to spot bravejordy! That's the type to give you nightmares!! haha! I want to send that to my lass but she wouldn't sleep for weeks and then take it out on me!

[bravejordy]

The text that accompanied the pic reads as follows:-

The picture was taken on a mobile phone and the little girl you see crying refused to go into the group as she said the little boy was scaring her.

Thinking very little of her tantrum the little girl's mum (who took the picture) later discovered what the little girl was crying for. Look closely at about knee high between the 2nd and 3rd girl in from the left. That I suspect is the reason the little girl was crying.

But as Ankou said, those curtains are quite shocking too! ha ha

[Ankou]

yeah but why has that girl got handcuffs and a sporran ?

funny i would probably just say that the kid was playing up because she was tired, or because she didn't want to be in a photo with them adults with handcuffs and sporran, and with those curtains.

[naomi24]

Grasscarp, please don’t let criticism upset you. I’ve had some very heated discussions with the people I respect most on here about ‘ghosts’ – but we haven’t fallen out over it. :o)

When people who have no experience state categorically ‘there are no such thing as ghosts’, they probably don’t realise it but they are actually accusing the witness either of suffering delusions - or lying – and often they are neither. Of course many people do imagine it – easily done in a dark room at night - but certainly not all. I saw a ghost on a Saturday afternoon in broad daylight. She wasn’t diaphanous – she was solid – she wore fashionable clothing and her hair-style was up to date. Initially, I saw her reflected in a mirror, but she was still there when I turned to face her full on in order to look at her properly – and she was still there as I walked across the room to the door and left. She shouldn’t have been there, but she was.

Of course the real problems arise when things go bump in the night – and in the day – for no apparent reason, but which actually, physically, disrupt lives. I lived in a ‘haunted’ house – and it wasn’t pleasant. I have no doubt whatsoever that things happen in this world for which we have no explanation.

[pa___ul3]

I'd love to see something like that naomi, I'd love to be proven wrong. I think, though, one of the things that help go against the argument is the fact that the sources put forward as 'cast iron proof' are always so dodgy, so obviously staged, and fronted by people as convincing as Derek Acorah! And now, as we all know that the technology is there to alter photos to look like they have a ghost in, however real bravejordy's photo might be, I can't believe it's genuine because it could so easily have been created! Which I'm kind of glad about because that little boy's face is creepy!!

[NOX]

I don't rant at anyone over their religious beliefs ( despite not sharing them)- I don't think anyone needs to stand up to scrutiny about their personal beliefs- it's only when those beliefs are inflicted upon others when the religious demand that certain things are adhered to because of their religious beliefs that I get upset, otherwise people can believe in God, ghosts, the easter bunny and even that Nick Clegg isn't a closet Tory if they so wish.

[yogasun]

Hi Naomi

I'm interested in your thoughts as I know that you are an atheist. What do you think the 'ghosts' might be? I myself am agnostic leaning more to atheism but am convinced that ghosts do exist.

[naomi24]

Paul, People like Derek Acorah are charlatans who make money from superstition - that's all. No one has cast iron proof. If only!

[naomi24]

Hi Yoga, I don't know what they are, and can only assume they're some form of energy. I think they're a part of the natural world that, as yet, we haven't discovered - and possibly don't yet have the means to investigate. I'm absolutely convinced that religion doesn't enter the equation.

[yogasun]

Thanks Naomi, I feel the same way about them. I feel that in the next 20 or so years we will discover more about such things.

[EvianBaby]

You don't have to be religious to believe in an 'afterworld'. I'm certainly not.

[naomi24]

Yoga, I would like to think we'll be able to throw some light on it at sometime, at least.

[Khandro]

Tampering, and accidental inclusion in photography, is as old as photography itself, you can see any amount of mid 19th century photographs of 'ghosts' and 'fairies'. Victorians were rather gullible to such 'manifestations' - not much seems to have changed.