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Given the recent media coverage of kids as young as 5 been forced into muslim marriages can anyone tell me, is this practice condoned in the koran or is it a cultural thing?
Also, do people who practice this kind of thing have any sense of love and affection?
I dont want an anti islam thread here, Im just curious as to why anyone would want to marry a 5 year old girl. Im well aware that in years gone by that child marriage existed in the UK. Still cant get my head around it though, just because it once happened here.
Thanks.
Also, do people who practice this kind of thing have any sense of love and affection?
I dont want an anti islam thread here, Im just curious as to why anyone would want to marry a 5 year old girl. Im well aware that in years gone by that child marriage existed in the UK. Still cant get my head around it though, just because it once happened here.
Thanks.
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why you think my views are like that
//No, I can’t explain it because I don’t understand the mentality of a man who does not condemn people who sexually abuse children.//
as you would say to me, not a good enough answer.
Also i want to point out that have you also actually read the overall thread question as it clearly states //I dont want an anti islam thread here//.
obviously that is not the case.
these are my questions. You say i do not condemn them. Even if i did would it make a difference. Arent i condemning them enough by saying that i think it is wrong? I am not agreeing with them. I am saying that it did happen years ago, and then there were other reasons for that as not only muslims did it. It happens in other countries and yes, most girls may not like that however for some it is seen as normal. as i have said, to them our age limit in britain may seem to old. What you forget is that if a girl does not agree there are serious punishments for the man as it is considered rape. If they agree fine, however if they do not want to get married at that age i have made it perfectly clear that the man should be punished.
//No, I can’t explain it because I don’t understand the mentality of a man who does not condemn people who sexually abuse children.//
as you would say to me, not a good enough answer.
Also i want to point out that have you also actually read the overall thread question as it clearly states //I dont want an anti islam thread here//.
obviously that is not the case.
these are my questions. You say i do not condemn them. Even if i did would it make a difference. Arent i condemning them enough by saying that i think it is wrong? I am not agreeing with them. I am saying that it did happen years ago, and then there were other reasons for that as not only muslims did it. It happens in other countries and yes, most girls may not like that however for some it is seen as normal. as i have said, to them our age limit in britain may seem to old. What you forget is that if a girl does not agree there are serious punishments for the man as it is considered rape. If they agree fine, however if they do not want to get married at that age i have made it perfectly clear that the man should be punished.
Just seen this nailit. Just thought I'm comment on the love & affection thing. Love and marriage are not synonymous. You may be in love and unmarried, and you can be married yet not in love. I'm no historian but I understand the idea that love should exist first is a more recent idea. Providing for the future being of greater importance prior to this, and presumably still so in some parts of the world.
Sith, //If they agree fine, however if they do not want to get married at that age i have made it perfectly clear that the man should be punished. //
So you agree with it if the girl agrees. What the hell is wrong with you people? Where are your brains? I'll ask you again a question that you chose not to answer. How can a 9 year old child possibly make an informed decision about marriage? Tell me.
It is not 'fine' - under any circumstances.
So you agree with it if the girl agrees. What the hell is wrong with you people? Where are your brains? I'll ask you again a question that you chose not to answer. How can a 9 year old child possibly make an informed decision about marriage? Tell me.
It is not 'fine' - under any circumstances.
so you think that 9 year old children are dumb??? tells me a lot about you.
Naomi i dont know because i do not agree with getting 9 year old children married. For gods sake get that stuck into your head. You keep asking the same question over and over again. seriously. I am just giving both views on the subject, something you do not do as apparently the only view correct according to you is your own view.
Naomi i dont know because i do not agree with getting 9 year old children married. For gods sake get that stuck into your head. You keep asking the same question over and over again. seriously. I am just giving both views on the subject, something you do not do as apparently the only view correct according to you is your own view.
//i dont know because i do not agree with getting 9 year old children married.//
Then why say it's fine if the girls agree? I don't think 9 year olds are dumb - I think they are children, and as such far too immature in mind and body to be married. People who want to marry children are perverted - and shame on anyone who condones that perversion - for any reason.
Then why say it's fine if the girls agree? I don't think 9 year olds are dumb - I think they are children, and as such far too immature in mind and body to be married. People who want to marry children are perverted - and shame on anyone who condones that perversion - for any reason.
Sith - “... i have explained and made it simple enough. i do not agree with marriage this young. you do not seem to understand that...”
I don't think you've made it simple at all. In fact you've very much muddied the waters by making a completely contradictory statement regarding your views on this matter.
One the one hand you say you disagree with the concept of children marrying grown men (“... I am not agreeing with them...”) but then you contradict yourself by saying that it's acceptable if the child agrees to the marriage (… If they [the children] agree fine, however if they do not want to get married at that age i have made it perfectly clear that the man should be punished...).
There is a problem with your viewpoint. It's fundamentally flawed, it condones child abuse and it apologises for paedophilia.
I know of no country on Earth that allows a child of nine years old to enter into a legally binding contract (ie. one recognised and upheld by the state) of any kind – except that of marriage. Every other contract is denied to them and with good reason; at the age of nine, your mind is not sufficiently developed to conceive of all the ramifications of signing a legal document.
This obvious and self-evident reality is wilfully ignored in certain countries when it comes to marriage. And it is being wilfully ignored by you too.
You are claiming to have answered a question when the fact is you have done no such thing.
I don't think you've made it simple at all. In fact you've very much muddied the waters by making a completely contradictory statement regarding your views on this matter.
One the one hand you say you disagree with the concept of children marrying grown men (“... I am not agreeing with them...”) but then you contradict yourself by saying that it's acceptable if the child agrees to the marriage (… If they [the children] agree fine, however if they do not want to get married at that age i have made it perfectly clear that the man should be punished...).
There is a problem with your viewpoint. It's fundamentally flawed, it condones child abuse and it apologises for paedophilia.
I know of no country on Earth that allows a child of nine years old to enter into a legally binding contract (ie. one recognised and upheld by the state) of any kind – except that of marriage. Every other contract is denied to them and with good reason; at the age of nine, your mind is not sufficiently developed to conceive of all the ramifications of signing a legal document.
This obvious and self-evident reality is wilfully ignored in certain countries when it comes to marriage. And it is being wilfully ignored by you too.
You are claiming to have answered a question when the fact is you have done no such thing.
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Fender62 / Naomi -
I don't necessarily want Sith to condemn the prophet Mohammed. I just want him to acknowledge the plain and simple fact that he's made a contradictory statement and that he hasn't answered Naomi's question (“... Sith, you do not agree with marriage this young, so why say it's fine if the girl agrees?...).
I don't necessarily want Sith to condemn the prophet Mohammed. I just want him to acknowledge the plain and simple fact that he's made a contradictory statement and that he hasn't answered Naomi's question (“... Sith, you do not agree with marriage this young, so why say it's fine if the girl agrees?...).
Sith - [in response to murraymint's statement, “Irrispective of faith..children need to be protected.... “] … “i agree hugely murray. something which certain people here dont seem to believe....”
I missed this little gem last night. It would appear that you have graduated from flat-out contradiction and have advanced to telling flagrant lies. Keyplus has taught you well.
You're now suggesting that it is other people on this thread who don't believe that children should be protected from abuse! This is astonishing since it is you who apparently advocates child abuse as long as the child agrees to be abused.
Please tell me, to whom are you referring in your statement of 08:45 Wed 11th Apr 2012?
I missed this little gem last night. It would appear that you have graduated from flat-out contradiction and have advanced to telling flagrant lies. Keyplus has taught you well.
You're now suggesting that it is other people on this thread who don't believe that children should be protected from abuse! This is astonishing since it is you who apparently advocates child abuse as long as the child agrees to be abused.
Please tell me, to whom are you referring in your statement of 08:45 Wed 11th Apr 2012?
is it my fault what other peoples cultures in different countries are? can i change that? no. Nor can you. I have said that i would not do it, if that is to confusing for you than youre the ones with problems, not me. There are punishments, more punishment than if it were to happen here so the girls rights are clearly valued and respected. You know what those punishments are. Youre the one who keeps saying there wrong or critisizing them, but in this case it shows that if they punish the man in that way, than the girls rights are clearly regarded, respected and looked at.
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