forced and arranged marriages

[nailit]

Given the recent media coverage of kids as young as 5 been forced into muslim marriages can anyone tell me, is this practice condoned in the koran or is it a cultural thing?
Also, do people who practice this kind of thing have any sense of love and affection?
I dont want an anti islam thread here, Im just curious as to why anyone would want to marry a 5 year old girl. Im well aware that in years gone by that child marriage existed in the UK. Still cant get my head around it though, just because it once happened here.
Thanks.

[sith123]

no, its neither. for me its not a yes or no question. i would not do it, that doesn't mean others would not do it and its not for me to decide.

[naomi24]

Sith, difficult one isn't it? You can't object to it because the Koran doesn't - and neither did Mohammed - but you wouldn't do it, so therefore you must find something in it that you, personally, feel isn't right. What would that be?

[sith123]

naomi, THATS a stupid question. for starters its the minimum age limit so why would you have to do it? my point is i have nothing against them however i would not do it because i have other things to do in life before then but i do not disagree with it. i have come to realise that there must be something wrong with you because im always repeating my self.

[naomi24]

Sith, you have other things to do in life? What on earth are you talking about?

So you don't think that grown men marrying little girls is wrong. And you say there's something wrong with me?

[sith123]

naomi, have you got a problem. for starters have i married a nine year old? no. do some people? yes. i cannot say anything against those people however if they told me to do it i would not. it is as simple as that.

[sith123]

but thats not simple enough for you. i might have to break it down more.

[jomifl]

Sith, I can understand Naomi's point perfectly well, particularly as it is the same as one that I made earlier and which you also failed to answer. What I believe you are saying is that you don't have a problem with a man having sex with a 9 year old girl because it is approved of in the Koran, though you wouldn't do it yourself because it is illegal in the UK. Is that clear enough?
Can I tactfully suggest that you cut down on the use of the word 'stupid' because it is beginning to become associated with your name.

[naomi24]

Sith, why wouldn't you do it?

[jomifl]

Vulcan, thanks for the story, if it is the same as the one that keyplus was about to relate then I can see why he didn't.

[sith123]

hey jom, i havent said stupid here. and no, if i was in an asian country i wouldnt do it as well.

i wouldnt do it because i would not like it. simple as that. i would not feel comfortable. its not compulsory.

[sith123]

oh, lol, jom i see what you mean. sorry about that but that was not directed at anyone, just the question naomi asked me. bad habits you know :)

[jomifl]

Sith, I am probably being a bit picky here but if you say that someone's question is stupid then you are implying that the questioner is stupid for asking the question. People on these threads generally don't ask stupid questions, when a question appear to be stupid is is usually because there is more to it than appears from the first reading of it. Hope this helps :-)

[naomi24]

Sith, you see nothing wrong in it, but you wouldn't feel comfortable and you wouldn't like it. I am trying to ascertain why you wouldn't like it. Let's put it this way. Would you marry your daughter off at a very young age, and if not, why not?

[WaldoMcFroog]

Please don't pretend you've always respected my views just because I once defend your position about something, Skyplus. We both know that's not true.

[keyplus90]

naomi24
Keyplus, you resurrected the issue of calling people drug addicts – nobody else - and it backfired -

[keyplus90]

Naomi , ////We know it isn't entirely true that you've always respected Waldo's views,////
Respecting is one thing and agreeing another and I did mention that in my first post. Because anyone has a right to agree or disagree with other’s view but that does not mean they do not respect them. And I always respect anyone’s views that are based upon some information. However I do not respect the views that are based upon only one thing that “I am always right and if you disagree with me then you don’t know what you are talking about”.

////naomi24
Keyplus, you resurrected the issue of calling people drug addicts – nobody else - and it backfired -///

It did not backfire on me Naomi, as you have been proved wrong therefore now you are trying your best to cover it up somehow. There is a saying where I am from that when a cat tries catching a bird and does not succeed then to hide her embarrassment she starts scratching the “perch or post” where that bird was once sitting just to fool people that she really was trying to scratch the post and nothing else.

My mother always said that do not tell a lie otherwise you will have to tell more lies to cover that one, and then on and on.

Jomifl – Where does Quran talks about having sex with a 9 year old?

Vulcan – No it is not the same story. Thanks for this one anyway.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I have to agree with you, Keyplus. Naomi's quote from tne Koran had nothing whatsoever to do with marring pubescent girls. And it is universally acknowledged that all the Haddiths mentioning the 50 year old prophet's sexual liaison with the nine year old Ayesha are the lying inventions of Christians, probably written in 9th century Cordoba.
The truth is mighty and will prevail. Your mother will be proud of you.

[naomi24]

Fender, I don’t think there’s any doubt about the nature of Mohammed’s relationship with 9 year old Ayesha. Interesting link.

Keyplus, If I’m wrong I have no objection to saying I’m wrong – and I am happy to apologise if necessary. However, in this instance, since I know you of old, and your post to Birdie coincidentally happened to be on the same subject, personally I will continue to doubt your intention. In short, I wouldn’t trust you an inch.

Vulcan, good try with the crow story. Never mind, we got another ‘Once Upon a Time’ with a cat and a bird instead.

VE, //Naomi's quote from the Koran had nothing whatsoever to do with marring pubescent girls.//

No, indeed, VE. It contained advice to grown men on divorcing them – along with their other wives - including the pre-pubescent ones.

[jomifl]

Keyplus, I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong but I believe that you said earlier that the koran states that a man can only have sex with an adult female and that a girl is adult when she begins to menstruate. Since girls can begin to menstruate at as early as 9 years of age, I believe that that means that a man can have sex with a 9 year old girl assuming of course that they are man and wife. If I am wrong please show me the flaw in my reasoning.