forced and arranged marriages

[nailit]

Given the recent media coverage of kids as young as 5 been forced into muslim marriages can anyone tell me, is this practice condoned in the koran or is it a cultural thing?
Also, do people who practice this kind of thing have any sense of love and affection?
I dont want an anti islam thread here, Im just curious as to why anyone would want to marry a 5 year old girl. Im well aware that in years gone by that child marriage existed in the UK. Still cant get my head around it though, just because it once happened here.
Thanks.

[naomi24]

Dave, //Naomi you do realise that Keyplus's big problem with you is your gender? The fact that you are smarter, more knowledgeable than him about his own religion and are far more erudite than him pales against the fact you are a woman. //

Yes, I've known that for a long time.

[keyplus90]

Naomi – Perhaps you & Co know more about something you have no first-hand knowledge and therefore I will accept your definition of arranged marriage, What’s next then?

Puberty is the natural way of knowing if someone is physically adult or not. And that is truth and no one can deny that. Then comes in mental maturity and even that has always been different in different parts of the world at different times so it would be stupid to compare what it was 100 years ago let alone 1400 years ago when average age for women was less than 35. So personally I agree with puberty being the scale of determine if someone is an adult or not instead of digits where most of the countries differ in the same part of the world. Puberty is the earliest someone can marry but personally do I believe that “the moment” someone has reached puberty should get married? No, I do not because now the time, expected age, mental maturity and so many things are not as they were 1400 years ago. Would I object if someone wants to marry their son or daughter once they have reached puberty? No I would not as I believe it parents who know better than you and me what is right and what is wrong about their children as they know more about maturity of their children. Reason behind is same as I said that if living in England I do not agree 13 years age of consent for Spanish people then no one gives me right to say they are wrong and I am right only because I believe it should be 16.

Naomi – there are few questions that cannot be answered by simple “Yes or No” otherwise shall I give you same example that I gave you once and you blamed me for claiming that you were a drug addict. And that showed me how good you were at reading posts although few here believe that you are very clever. Cunning, may be but not clever.

Dave, nothing to say about your post as I believe you did not put anything there on which I would waste any time, but don’t worry Naomi will give you and Flip Flop another pay rise and would perhaps buy you a new laptop too so that you could keep on posting from your bed like Sergy. But sad that you would not come to this thread now to see this post.

[tamborine]

Taking a minor as a wife in this country is a prisonable offence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age

While India doesn't abide by Euro Law of Convention, they are still subject to indian law:

"......21 for males and 18 for females.[31] If any partner(s) engages in marriage at a younger age, (s)he can ask for the marriage to be declared void / annulled. A recent recommendation by the Law Commission aims to equalize the marriage age for males and females to 18,[32] automatically declares marriages under 16 as "null and void", while marriages at the age of 16 or 17 are "voidable"...."

[keyplus90]

////Dave, //Naomi you do realise that Keyplus's big problem with you is your gender? The fact that you are smarter, more knowledgeable than him about his own religion and are far more erudite than him pales against the fact you are a woman. //

What bit have you known for long time? You are women, you are smarter or you are more knowledgeable than me?

Did I tell you a story of a crow that had no doubt that he was the most knowledgeable and clever and then what happened to him. Having said that I exactly know what problem you have with me and I have no doubt whatsoever about that.

[ummmm]

I can't remember exactly what you said now, keyplus, but you did accuse someone (could have been Naomi) of being a drug addict. I read it.

[Davethedog]

I know I said I wouldn't but I cannot resist this, apart from the conspiracy theory and now apparent paranoia (We are all picking on him) and I have never owened a laptop.

Keyplus Do you think it is acceptable for an adult male to sleep with a child under 10 - Yes or No

[Davethedog]

Is this Deja vu seems very familiar.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, //Would I object if someone wants to marry their son or daughter once they have reached puberty? No I would not//

Thank you for confirming that – and as for your stories, no need to ask me if I've heard them. We've all heard them - several times.

Ummmm, he’s accused a lot of people of a lot of things - and he's still being silly. We’re used to it around here. Apparently I'm the Paymaster General now. :o)

[vetuste_ennemi]

Can someone explain the crow allusion to me, please?
Meanwhile I've got an anecodote about an ostrich.

[jomifl]

Keyplus, you are talking pollux again. The onset of puberty in girls is not an indication of maturity, it is an indication of the end of childhood. The female body has a lot of development to go through before it is adult and/or ready for sex and childbirth. I'm sure a lot of men would like to believe otherwise as it would pander to their paedophile tendencies but I think the opinion of modern educated medical experts has more weight than that of an uneducated paedophile slave trader.

[ummmm]

Girls can start their periods, which I presume is the indication of maturity, without being developed in any other way!!

[vetuste_ennemi]

Don't Castor-spersions, Jom.

[naomi24]

To be perfectly frank, aside from the psychological trauma a little girl must suffer, the physical damage that sex with an adult male would cause her doesn’t bear thinking about. Surely anyone in their right mind can understand that – and if they can’t perhaps they should take a look around them and compare a child’s physical form to that of a grown woman. And yet the Koran, the alleged fount of all knowledge, recommends no minimum age limit, and certainly does not caution men against marrying pre-pubescent girls. In fact, in its advice to men seeking divorce, it counsels:

“If you are in doubt concerning those of your wives who have ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period shall be three months. The same shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated. Qur'an 65:4

[jomifl]

VE, I don't think I can rigel out of it, I can't altair my post :-)

[keyplus90]

////Ummmm I can't remember exactly what you said now, keyplus, but you did accuse someone (could have been Naomi) of being a drug addict. I read it.////

I never accused any one and someone really is interested in reading the actual post then I can dig deep into the archives and show it. In nutshell all I can say is that few people like associating anything and everything with their name and that is exactly what Naomi did. I am sure I have re-posted all of that with references of date, what was said and what was the response but perhaps few people have short memory so therefore I don’t mind reminding to anyone who seriously is interested to know who is a liar.

Dave - you wait for your Just yes or no as the above matter is directly linked to a question asked exactly that. But I thought that you were not coming back but again not many can resist the temptation.

[ummmm]

You did say it...

http://www.theanswerb...2.html#answer-6426507

[boxtops]

Just as a matter of interest, arranged marriages aren't only for minors - a friend of ours was in his thirties and his parents vetted his prospective bride before he'd even clapped eyes on her.

[naomi24]

Ummmm, thank you very much. :o)

Keyplus, people who have read the posts just over the past week or so know, without doubt, that one of us lies – and they know it isn’t me. You seem to forget that a lot of people read these threads, and they have good memories. Therefore in continually attempting to discredit me, you merely succeed in discrediting yourself even further. Nice try at throwing yet another thread off course because the subject matter doesn’t suit you, but it won’t work. It’s high time you grew up, Keyplus.

Boxy, more fool him.

[boxtops]

Naomi, actually no, that's the way he wanted it - and he and his wife have a happy family, ten years on.

[naomi24]

That's a bit of luck then.