forced and arranged marriages

[nailit]

Given the recent media coverage of kids as young as 5 been forced into muslim marriages can anyone tell me, is this practice condoned in the koran or is it a cultural thing?
Also, do people who practice this kind of thing have any sense of love and affection?
I dont want an anti islam thread here, Im just curious as to why anyone would want to marry a 5 year old girl. Im well aware that in years gone by that child marriage existed in the UK. Still cant get my head around it though, just because it once happened here.
Thanks.

[naomi24]

Jake, fair enough. I would say that some societies are solely determined by the tenets of Islamic literature, but I accept that some are simply heavily influenced by it.

[naomi24]

Sith, like Ummmm, I would also like a straight answer from you. Yes or no?

[Mosaic]

It's a cultural thing and hopefully should pass with time and continued prosperity. That's the big 'if', isn't it, given the state of world economics just now.
Before we get all superior and high-horsey let's recall how commonplace this was in our own history. Henry Vii's mother was first married at the age of 7 and nearly died giving birth to him when she was 13 - and widowed from her second husband.

[sith123]

do i agree with it personally. well i would never marry of my children when they were 9 and no i think that is to young yet i am not saying it does not happen. im admitting it does. yet as i have said look at it on a wider scale. Most of the time by marriage they mean engagement which you still may argue that is to young, i also as i have said would never engage any of my children at that age however people do it. So marriage or engagement at 9 i would not agree with. But it happens.

[sith123]

yes mosaic, but no one seems to understand that or want to understand it.

[NOX]

Keyplus/ Sith if you do agree with marrying girls as young as nine off, more even than I think it's weird and wrong ( and I really do), I think more that surely you can see that ( saying as you have done previously) all people within Islam are entitled to refute their marriage, these girls are children and are therefore not equipped to make a decision about whether they want to marry anyone or not, because they are none and just not up to that level of reasoning. Surely you can see that?

[Mosaic]

Nox, don't think Sith said s/he agrees with it.

[sith123]

nox, get your facts straight, i said i do not agree with it.

[NOX]

I do agree historically it was commn in England, however we realised this was wrong and don't do it now, that's the point surely- we have evolved into hopefully kinder better people who don't oblige little girls to marry before they are physically or mentally equipped.

[naomi24]

Sith, so you disagree with Keyplus then?

[NOX]

the last few replies were not there when I posted my initial point and you might notice that it was addressed to both Keyplus ( who HAs said he agrees with child marriages) and to Sith. Now that Sith has made his stance clear, that's fine.

[sith123]

islam does not have an age limit for marriage. most people go on when shes hit pubery but this does not mean straight away as soon as she hits pubery bang shes married. no. this is just an age limit. most people marry of their daughters at age aroung 19-20 which is legal over here.

[sith123]

i cannot say that naomi, until i have seen his responce. i cannot go on what you or ummm have said about it.

[naomi24]

Sith, actually, it's quite heartening to know that you and Keyplus disagree on this.

[vulcan]

sith#im supporting him because he believes the same thing as me. i agree with what he believes. is that simple enough for you to understand now?#

[sith123]

i do not disagree with him. the age limit is over the age of puberty which varies. some girls hit puberty at age 9. the only thing i said is that that does not mean you should marry them of straight away. some do if they want. fine. it states in the quran. But we also agree when she can choose. so even if she is 9 and can choose she has the right to say no. the minority marry off people at age 9. as i have said it is more around the age of 19-20. that is the minimum age. that does not mean it is the age it has to happen.

[naomi24]

Oh blow! Cross posted there. What a disappointment. You have to wait to see what Keyplus says. Fair enough.

[jomifl]

Sith, do you have any facts to back up your statements or is it all babble?

[sith123]

yes vulcan, i believe with what keyplus says. however i do not agree with it. yet i dont even know if keyplus does. i only have your word so i would rather wait to hear his view.

[naomi24]

Cross posted again!

//some do if they want. fine. //

Now Sith, you really have turned out to be a disappointment. You've back-tracked. It is not 'fine' - it is appalling!

//it states in the quran. //

No, it doesn't.