Do we know enough to know what it all means?

[Johnysid]

Meaning is a succession of events directed at a particular outcome. Say "now" - when is/was that word? A word is a succession of events. The challenge I set the contributors to this thread is to explain how we can have awareness now. If we dont have it now then when can we have it?

[Khandro]

jomifl; "A human could be seen as a very complex wave with matter and energy flowing through it." Are you suggesting a human is therefore constant and unchanging?
"Standing waves in currents of water will remain in the same place relative to the shore/bank as long as the conditions which produced them continue to exist." Please give an example of these constant conditions in nature.

[jomifl]

Khandro, I didn't say that a human is 'constant and unchanging' you are trying again to put words in my mouth. A wave can alter in amplitude and length but it is still essentially the same wave. Much if not all of nature is dynamic albeit sometimes on a very long time scale. As for examples in nature just open your eyes, look at the sky, look at rivers, look in wikipedia. If you cannot find anything come back to me and I will give you examples
As for your quote from Heraclitus, though a glib philosophical point, it can be argued that the man and the river are not their material constituents but the phenomenom that they are. That is why rivers are marked on maps and humans have an identity from birth to death. That is to say a river is not the water in it and a man is not the food he eats.

[jomifl]

Additionally, I didn't say that there are constant conditions in nature, read my words, //as long as the conditions which produced them continue to exist// they say what I mean (most of the time).

[jomifl]

This link if it works, dhow a good example of wave clouds,enjoy
http://uploads2.wikip...-in-figueras-1926.jpg

[jomifl]

dhow = shows ...doh