Nigeria School Attack 30 Killed!

[Kissmequik]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/islamic-extremists-kill-30-school-attack-102126537.html#dtSIO7G

Why? Where does it say in Islam or the Quran that they can kill kids, or anyone for that matter?

Whilst we're on the subject, what does it say about sharia law? From what i understand that means something similar to the murderous crusades? As in go forth to places and force others to believe what you believe in and if they don't kill them?

Does this sound normal to you?

[Kissmequik]

Thanks fender, will have to have a read later as am off to "Cool off" at my local watering hole as advised by a friend here which is great advice compared to being stuck in a rage on the internet so bye for now :)

[jomifl]

It says in the koran that you can kill anyone who isn't muslim and take their goods including their women and slaves for your own. It isn't compulsory though so nobody has to do it unless they want to.

[naomi24]

Madmen!

[emmie]

normal, no of course not, to be expected, absolutely.

[mikey4444]

Only a tiny minority of Muslims act like this. These are not Muslim extremists so much as ignorant, uneducated, morons.

[naomi24]

Mikey, //These are not Muslim extremists //

Unfortunately they are - but that's not to say they aren't, as you put it, ignorant, uneducated, morons.

[Kissmequik]

Mikey4444 yes i totally agree, i don't wish to come across as an islamaphobe as i know of many muslims that are good decent people, but didn't want to go to them directly with a question like this without having some facts a basic knowledge first so at least i could have a decent debate with them without coming across as an "Attacker"

I think we find these people in all walks of society, angry twisted and violent people just looking for an excuse to attack others so many find this "outlet" in religion and twist the facts to suit their needs maybe?

I'd like to talk to some muslims online, which is the biggest online muslim forum you know of?

[beso]

Kissmequik //I think we find these people in all walks of society, angry twisted and violent people just looking for an excuse to attack others so many find this "outlet" in religion and twist the facts to suit their needs maybe? //

They don't have to twist the facts. The justification for things they do are explicitly written in the Qu'ran as plain as the nose on your face.

The twisting is done by the supposed "moderates" who cherry pick the parts they agree with while conveniently ignoring the religious justification it provides for violence, murder, deceit, misogyny, rape and enslavement in the name of their faith.

Why don't you actually read what is in the Qu'ran.

Here is an objective discussion of its conents and offerings on many subjects.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page

When you finish there, take a look at the Bible, particularly the Old Testament. It isn't hard to see that the Abrahamic religions lie at the root of much of the trouble that confronts humanity.

Then you might begin to have some idea why atheists are passionate about undermining the foundations of religion in an attempt to avert the coming disaster driven by these beliefs.

And please stop aplogising for the faithful. The blood of the victims of religion is on the hands of all those who lend their support to these faiths.

[naomi24]

//They don't have to twist the facts. The justification for things they do are explicitly written in the Qu'ran as plain as the nose on your face. //

Why don't people understand that? It's been said so many times.

[beso]

They don't understand it because they cannot comprehend that thousands of millions of people could support something so horrible and assume that we atheists are simply misrepresenting the facts.

[naomi24]

In that case they need to read the book and find out for themselves!

[mibn2cweus]

There is a wider philosophical principle at work here. Belief in the arbitrary is an invitation to anyone to believe anything and to act accordingly.

There is no substitute for learning right from wrong, what distinguishes one from the other and why one should be preferred to the other, an ability that can only be acquired from an understanding of the process of reason which enables us as human to rise above the limitations imposed upon the beasts of this earth by virtue of evolution alone. Reason is the one single most important attribute that distinguishes us from the animal kingdom and the one attribute that when used inconsistently, selectively and without a thorough understanding of the process provides humanity with the potential to be the worst of the beasts which walk this earth.

To be human, to learn the process and commit to reason, is a choice, the fundamental determinant choice to recognise and embrace ones own humanity.

[jomifl]

Religious belief is a convenient way of justifying prejudices and deeds however outrageous. You just find a religion that suits you, then interpret it to get an exact fit. Very little thought is required or indeed carried out.

[mushroom25]

Boko Haram - literally "western education is forbidden" - and now they've got their wish
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23221237
who said violence doesn't work?

[keyplus90]

Kissmequik – It is good that you are trying to learn whey few people behave the way they do. First of all let me say that the people who do these kind of things are just simple terrorists and nothing more than that. These kind of people should not only be condemned but eradicated from any society. They do not represent any good bunch of people in one country let alone a religion. But after reading my post and most importantly the posts that will follow my post, you would understand why few people think differently. Because I give reasons these people use to recruit their followers. First of all anyone with a simple sense can understand that 9/11 and as a result of that invasion of few countries have fuelled some hatred among few people. How many people have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq alone, the wars that were not supposed to have started even according to UNO? Al-Qaeeda, American own creation has been defeated according to the Americans. However I believe Alqaeeda has spread in more than one country now. Then they have reasons to manipulate people’s thinking. Americans are trying to change syllabus in most of the Islamic countries. In my own country (Pakistan) syllabus has been changed dramatically in last 10 years. Without going into details, Just like any Hollywood movie where there has to be a baddy for the Americans to be a goody, new syllabus is all about that you need to believe the Americans are the world saviours and Islam is the enemy. Now simply in Islamic countries that would not work.

As for information about whether Islam teaches what you mentioned in your question or not and what has been mentioned by few here about what Quran teaches or not. All I have to say is that if I were to ask people like Beso to give me where in Quran it is written that he/she claims, then I am sure there would be nothing to back the claim. Of course one thing I would second that you must read Quran yourself and see what it says and what people say it says. I am sure you would see the difference.