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Islam Often Gets An Unjustified Bad Press, But Here's An Account Of How The Greatest Englishman Of The Last Century...
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..., in my opinion, saw great merit in it. He almost took it up.
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Nonsense! His family’s paranoia rather than Churchill’s intentions. His sister in law may have begged him not to convert to Islam, but it doesn't follow that he intended to. He had more sense. This is what the man himself said about Islam.
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it (Islam) has vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it (Islam) has vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”
It would not appear that Churchill considered converting. His analysis is accurate.
“The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men,” he wrote in his 1899 account of Sudan, The River War.
“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralizes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.”
“The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men,” he wrote in his 1899 account of Sudan, The River War.
“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralizes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.”
methyl //There is nothing wrong with the vast majority of Religions in the world and they share many common goods. //
Nothing wrong? You should try reading their books some time.
//Unfortunately each religion has its extremists, some of whom are just yobs who tag onto a legitimate religions while just intent on causing trouble and getting away with it. //
No. The "yobs" are the ones actually following what it says in the books. The "moderates" are the ones who have strayed from the original message.
Nothing wrong? You should try reading their books some time.
//Unfortunately each religion has its extremists, some of whom are just yobs who tag onto a legitimate religions while just intent on causing trouble and getting away with it. //
No. The "yobs" are the ones actually following what it says in the books. The "moderates" are the ones who have strayed from the original message.
//Islam is a primitive stone age religion that enshrines misogyny at its core.//
Given that it is younger than Christianity, (Mohammed, 570CE to 632) that makes for an interesting perspective on the Catholick faiths......
Individual Muslims still show amazing thought, depth and deed, the issues being that they are still 300 years behind us in some of the ways they manifest their faith and the increasing monotheism of the faith. Okay, it has always been that, but the Wahibis (in the last 30 years) have had really damaging effects on the long history and culture of Muslimdom and driving it away from the pluralistic strands that it was developing.
What we should be doing is encouraging their learned scholars to 'think out of the box' and change their practices from within.
Given that it is younger than Christianity, (Mohammed, 570CE to 632) that makes for an interesting perspective on the Catholick faiths......
Individual Muslims still show amazing thought, depth and deed, the issues being that they are still 300 years behind us in some of the ways they manifest their faith and the increasing monotheism of the faith. Okay, it has always been that, but the Wahibis (in the last 30 years) have had really damaging effects on the long history and culture of Muslimdom and driving it away from the pluralistic strands that it was developing.
What we should be doing is encouraging their learned scholars to 'think out of the box' and change their practices from within.
No DTC, what we should be doing is encouraging all religions to drop the act and stop masquerading behind the holy and preying on the gullible in the pursuit of power, That would do far more good.
Islam is no worse or better than any other religion. Beso was right. The most acceptable to their gods, according to the book(s) are the ones who follow the teachings to the letter.
Whatever religion Churchill chose was of no import. The fact that he had to choose one at all would concern me when it came to important and evolutionary decisions for society.
Islam is no worse or better than any other religion. Beso was right. The most acceptable to their gods, according to the book(s) are the ones who follow the teachings to the letter.
Whatever religion Churchill chose was of no import. The fact that he had to choose one at all would concern me when it came to important and evolutionary decisions for society.
sandyRoe - "... Islam Often Gets An Unjustified Bad Press..."
No it does not. There's nothing unjust in criticising a 'religion' that promotes and legitimises bigotry, hatred, slavery, paedophilia, violence, torture, rape, robbery and murder.
Read the Koran. It's all there in black and white. As the saying goes, "it's hiding in plain sight".
No it does not. There's nothing unjust in criticising a 'religion' that promotes and legitimises bigotry, hatred, slavery, paedophilia, violence, torture, rape, robbery and murder.
Read the Koran. It's all there in black and white. As the saying goes, "it's hiding in plain sight".
Keyplus - "... Yes, Birdie, you are right about reading Quran. Perhaps you should do that too instead of depending on few websites alone..."
It's a shame that you and I are so dissimilar. A shame for you of course, not for me. You see, when I want to find out about something, I read widely. Initially I read from online sources that agree with the proposition and from online sources that disagree. That way, at least I have a reasonable baseline from where to begin.
Having done that, I borrow or purchase scholarly works from reputable authors. From there I form my opinion. I think that's a reasonable position from which to understand and to debate a subject don't you?
With regards to Islam I have dipped into a great many online sources both pro and anti. In our previous debates I have posted word for word quotes from popular pro-Islamic websites and anti-Islamic websites. Both sources have supported my argument(s) that Islam is a thoroughly repugnant belief system that promotes (to quote my previous post), "... bigotry, hatred, slavery, paedophilia, violence, torture, rape, robbery and murder."
From there I have purchased and read numerous books that further elaborate on these debates. I have also bought and read the Koran - the actual Koran, translated into English. So, much like you, I have read and own a Koran translated into my own native language. I also own the translations of the Hadiths which help to complete the picture of the Islamic doctrine.
So there you have it Keyplus. That is how I have come to understand and learn about the vile doctrine of Islam.
And you think that I have restricted my knowledge to a few anti-Islamic websites? Oh dear.
Wrong again.
It's a shame that you and I are so dissimilar. A shame for you of course, not for me. You see, when I want to find out about something, I read widely. Initially I read from online sources that agree with the proposition and from online sources that disagree. That way, at least I have a reasonable baseline from where to begin.
Having done that, I borrow or purchase scholarly works from reputable authors. From there I form my opinion. I think that's a reasonable position from which to understand and to debate a subject don't you?
With regards to Islam I have dipped into a great many online sources both pro and anti. In our previous debates I have posted word for word quotes from popular pro-Islamic websites and anti-Islamic websites. Both sources have supported my argument(s) that Islam is a thoroughly repugnant belief system that promotes (to quote my previous post), "... bigotry, hatred, slavery, paedophilia, violence, torture, rape, robbery and murder."
From there I have purchased and read numerous books that further elaborate on these debates. I have also bought and read the Koran - the actual Koran, translated into English. So, much like you, I have read and own a Koran translated into my own native language. I also own the translations of the Hadiths which help to complete the picture of the Islamic doctrine.
So there you have it Keyplus. That is how I have come to understand and learn about the vile doctrine of Islam.
And you think that I have restricted my knowledge to a few anti-Islamic websites? Oh dear.
Wrong again.
Keyplus -
Your problem is that you are so enamoured with Islam that you find it incomprehensible to consider the possibility that someone could read the Koran and find it replete with absurdities, falsehoods and atrocities. The fact that the Koran contains these shows that you are utterly blind to them and that you are hopelessly indoctrinated.
There is a shocking amount of violence in the Koran. It is truly nauseating. And it is all sanctioned, condoned and ratified my Mohammed himself. Take the murder of Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf for example. He was a poet who disagreed with and mocked Mohammed's pronouncements. Mohammed didn't like people disagreeing with him, let alone mocking him. So Mohammed had Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf murdered.
This murder is recorded in Islamic scripture and is unequivocal. It cannot be explained away as a mistake or a mis-translation. It is a murder ordered by Mohammed himself. Mohammed sanctions the murder of those who disagree with him.
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Your problem is that you are so enamoured with Islam that you find it incomprehensible to consider the possibility that someone could read the Koran and find it replete with absurdities, falsehoods and atrocities. The fact that the Koran contains these shows that you are utterly blind to them and that you are hopelessly indoctrinated.
There is a shocking amount of violence in the Koran. It is truly nauseating. And it is all sanctioned, condoned and ratified my Mohammed himself. Take the murder of Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf for example. He was a poet who disagreed with and mocked Mohammed's pronouncements. Mohammed didn't like people disagreeing with him, let alone mocking him. So Mohammed had Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf murdered.
This murder is recorded in Islamic scripture and is unequivocal. It cannot be explained away as a mistake or a mis-translation. It is a murder ordered by Mohammed himself. Mohammed sanctions the murder of those who disagree with him.
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Birdie forgot to mention the misogyny in Islam.
The deep seated hatred of women is expressed in many ways but few so monstrously as in the muslim cultures where female genital mutilation is practiced.
You can point out that it is not condoned in the Quran but it is still indicative of the attitudes nurtured by this hideous book. You don't see FMG done in other cultures, always muslims, so there is something in that wouldn't you think?
The deep seated hatred of women is expressed in many ways but few so monstrously as in the muslim cultures where female genital mutilation is practiced.
You can point out that it is not condoned in the Quran but it is still indicative of the attitudes nurtured by this hideous book. You don't see FMG done in other cultures, always muslims, so there is something in that wouldn't you think?
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