William Tyndale – The Most Dangerous Man In Tudor England

[naomi24]

Did anyone else see this very watchable programme? I don’t necessarily agree with Melvyn Bragg when he says that Tyndale is forgotten in history, although perhaps he is to those who aren’t interested in religion, but this was a fascinating insight into the life a brilliant man whose sole purpose was to bring the bible to the masses by translating it into English - a perilous occupation in its day.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0185y5g

[Jackdaw33]

More was not a clergyman.

[agchristie]

Naomi, just as an aside I once heard a father berate his son in church stating:

'Don't you swear in the House of God you ignorant b******!!'

[naomi24]

I didn't say he was a clergyman - I said he was a churchman. Perhaps I should have rephrased that.

[naomi24]

ag, really! Oh my!! :o)

[Peter Pedant]

Most of Tyndale's NT translation ends up as the King James version
and the Myles Coverdale translation of the pentateuch is another wholesale import

The difficulty with his beautiful English is that he didnt understand how the Gk perfect tense worked- " something happened and the effect is still being felt now"
For a straight 'something happened' they used an aorist.

I think the grammarians now say one is durative and the other is punctiliar

The Emperor ( Sharl Kint ) Charles V, uncle of Katherine of Aragon was rampaging and an RC. Charlie had a phrase cuius regio eius religio -that is whoever ruled the place then the place took on the rulers religion.

Brussels when Tyndall was there was reformist but then when Charles moved in ( now Roman Catholic ) he didnt move fast enough and was betrayed to the Imperial authorities by a 'friend' - probably a Roman Catholic spy.

Tried for heresy and burnt

[Peter Pedant]

// More was not a clergyman.// he was a SAINT !

[vetuste_ennemi]

Can you give me an example from the KJV NT with Tyndale's imported translation confuses the perfect with the aorist tense, Peter?

[naomi24]

Divebuddy, according to Bragg, Tyndale was strangled but regained consciousness as the pyre was ignited. He apparently died in dignified silence.

[vetuste_ennemi]

...WHICH shows the confusion between...

[naomi24]

You would think so.....

[naomi24]

divebuddy, haha! Crossed wires!

I just got this from Wiki:

//For burnings at the stake, if the fire was large (for instance, when a number of prisoners were executed at the same time), death often came from carbon monoxide poisoning before flames actually caused harm to the body. If the fire was small, however, the convict would burn for some time until death from hypovolemia (the loss of blood and/or fluids, since extensive burns often require large amounts of intravenous fluid, because the subsequent inflammatory response causes significant capillary fluid leakage and edema), heatstroke and/or simply the thermal decomposition of vital body parts. //

....so if he was very lucky his executioners wouldn't have spared the wood!

It's amazing where some of these discussions lead!

[naomi24]

//Looking forward to that one. //

Me too.

[Orderlimit]

Frugalfred, kindly provided the link for us Naomi. Thanks for the vid link though, I watch it later.

Where does one get the key to the monument from these days, Orderlimit? "

It's open 24/7 at the mo Frugalfred.

[Elina]

Hi Naomi, I downloaded it to my Kindle to watch over weekend!

[naomi24]

Orderlimit, //Frugalfred, kindly provided the link for us Naomi.//

Yes, I know. I thanked him.

Elina, I hope you find it interesting.

[Peter Pedant]

// Can you give me an example from the KJV NT with Tyndale's imported translation confuses the perfect with the aorist tense, Peter?//

No - but can I suggest you do a course in NT Greek - read the whole lot,
read the whole of Tyndall, and the King James Version and later translations - this will take you more than a week and compare them, and also drag in Metzger ( all his books ) - oh and throw in the Douai Version and the later Knox translation and you will then get an answer.......

I will leave this to you as ..... homework

if I come across any I will annotate you