Koran

[atalanta]

Islam is so deeply divided, all Muslims seem to claim the Koran supports their side of the argument, so I reckon it's about time I read it for myself.
Can anyone recommend a particularly good translation ?

[Theland]

And your authority is?

[birdie1971]

Khandro - "... The only Muslim on this thread is Keyplus, so I would, if I were you I'd take his advice..."

You mean, take advice from a man who wholly embraces the concepts of Kitman and Taqiyya? Hmmm...

[vetuste_ennemi]

NO modern Jew or Christian believes in their m, however,ost disgusting texts, Nailit. Several hundred thousands of our new citizens, however, still believe in their vile texts. And are enthusiastic in imposing their "morals" on you and me.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Is Kitman a moral retard's superhero?

[birdie1971]

VE -

You're being uncharacteristicly frivolous tonight ;-)

[vetuste_ennemi]

"Believe in the most disgusting parts of".
Sorry for the garbled post.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Frivolous? "He knows me so well".

[birdie1971]

I think if Islam had a superhero, he would be called "Offence Man". A man, committed to the twisting of words and logic so that any and all criticism of Islam - be they legitimate or not - could be deemed 'offensive'. He could mooch about in secret and shout down and then punish any perceived criticism of Mohammed or of muslims.

What am I saying?

"Offence Man" already exists. He's not a person; he's an idea, backed up by a very real and tangible threat. He exists and is in rude health in Saudi Arabia in the form of the religious police. Offence Man exists within most left-wing western political organisations. The kid gloves that are used by the main-stream media when discussing Islam and its real-world consequences are a sight to behold. They are clearly terrified of Offence Man but they cannot admit it as such an admission would lead to Offence Man "TAKING OFFENCE". And that's a no-no in today's media.

[birdie1971]

VE

I know you well enough to know that you are a formidable intellect and I enjoy your posts immensely.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I'm as confused as you are by the self-destructive instinct which has characterised all Western nations and their governments from the 60s onward, Birdie. The destruction of social capital through policies which encourage young people to refuse work in order to leech off other people doesn't make

[vetuste_ennemi]

..make moral or practical sense.

[vetuste_ennemi]

My last comments were off piste, Atalanta, vis a vis the OP. But I do hope you read something about Islam.

[Khandro]

birdie; // take advice from a man who wholly embraces the concepts of............//
My post addressed the question in the OP; "Can anyone recommend a particularly good translation?", others have attempted an answer, you have not.

[naomi24]

Theland, //And your authority is? // What or whose authority do you think I need?

[keyplus90]

semms to me that atalanta has had enough of it. So come one, every body go home and let the time decide who and what is right or wrong.

And for Theland I would on say one thing. The day he would prove to me that he is the true believer of Christ according to his own Bible, I will become a Christian.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, //Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?// Matthew 7:3

The bible was invaluable to Mohammed. He couldn’t have written the Koran without it.

[Khandro]

^ His first wife was a Christian and it was from her I believe he gleaned his information about Christianity, but what was he[i before he became the first Muslim? Did he convert from something else or was he completely [i]tabula rasa]

[naomi24]

His religion prior to his invention of Islam is disputed, but if he was anything, he was probably polytheistic. His wife’s cousin was Christian, and a very capable student of Judaism and Christianity.

[Theland]

Well he should be rotting in hell right now.