Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God.

[gordiescotland1]

Hi There I saw a post on facebook that said Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God. And I copied it on to my wall. Anyway one of my really pc friends said that is not true and it is hate crime to say that and if it is not removed she will phone the police. But surely that is true. Muslims worship Allah where as Christians worship God?

[jomifl]

Birdie, I think Khandro has shot himsef in the feet so often that he hasn't got a leg to stand on..

[naomi24]

I too think Khandro’s judgement is governed solely by his irrational hatred of atheism/atheists. Perhaps he should ask himself why so many major and world-renowned charitable agencies exist without religion as a foundation.

[Khandro]

Interesting how you three need each other's support and no one else seems to join you in your illusions. Your hypocrisy in believing that the slaughter of thousands of priests and the forced closure of thousands of churches by the bolsheviks had nothing at all to do with the eradication of religion for the creation of the Marxist/Leninist desire for an atheist society had nothing whatsoever to do with the propagation of atheism.
Such hypocrisy would have stood you in good stead for high-ranking posts during the terrors, Birdie, you might have even made it to become head of the secret police.

[naomi24]

Incidentally Khandro, why do so many major and world-renowned charitable agencies exist without religion as a foundation?

[jomifl]

/Interesting how you three need each other's support and no one else seems to join you/
What a stunning ripost...
Perhaps we are just more patient and concerned ..

[naomi24]

He's being silly.

[vulcan42]

Khandro \\ Interesting how you three need each other's support and no one else seems to join you in your illusions.//
Even more interesting, nobody has joined you in your illusions.

[Zacs-Master]

'And thus I clothe my naked villainy, With old odd ends, stol'n forth of holy writ; And seem a saint, when most I play the devil.'
Wm S.

[Khandro]

Yes, you would have done very well under Bolshevism. A long article on The Bolshevik persecution of the Catholic church concludes;

"Therefore, between 1917 and 1924 the Soviet government had ruthlessly reduced the Catholic population in Russia, had destroyed its hierarchy, had instilled fear into the laity, had taught its children atheism, and had completed one of the most savage attacks on religion in the modern world."

[naomi24]

Khandro, I’m not surprised you neglected to provide a link to that paragraph when the text outlines the Decree of Separation of Church and State, which Church leaders refused to sign, and continues ……

//Civil War in Russia (1918-1920) between the Red and White Armies, and the Polish-Soviet War (1919-1920) often found the Catholic clergy on the side of the Soviet opponents.//

http://www.loyno.edu/~history/journal/1987-8/byrnes.htm

As has been said here – and absolutely correctly - there was rather more than ‘atheism’ going on in Russia.

Utterly disingenuous of you, Khandro - and still you continue to insult. Quite shameful.

[Khandro]

Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1922-1991), Soviet authorities suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on the particular era. Soviet policy, based on the ideology of Marxism–Leninism, made atheism the official doctrine of the Soviet Union. Marxism–Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and the elimination of religious beliefs.[1]

The state was committed to the destruction of religion,[2][3] and destroyed churches, mosques and temples, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with atheistic teachings, and generally promoted atheism as the truth that society should accept.[4][5] The total number of Christian victims of Soviet state atheist policies, has been estimated to range between 12-20 million.[6][7][8]

Wikipedia

[naomi24]

Khandro .... listen .... no one denies that. What they do deny is your contention that the whole of the Soviet regime emanated from atheism. It very clearly didn’t. Restriction was imposed upon just about every freedom known to man – but that wasn’t as a result of the atheistic tendencies of the leaders, but rather of their obsession with controlling the masses via a warped, cruel, crazy, inhuman, unworkable philosophy! Yes, priests were killed – but so were dissidents in every other walk of life from factory workers to free-thinking intellectuals – in fact anyone who opposed the grotesque Soviet ideology. This was not confined to religion and it was not done in the name of atheism…. but actually, I think you know that.

[Khandro]

naomi;//your contention that the whole of the Soviet regime emanated from atheism.//
What absolute nonsense - I have never said nor implied such a thing.

[naomi24]

Khandro, I think you did ….

//the mass slaughter was because of their opposition to atheism and it was carried out by those wishing to force atheism upon them.//

…. but if I’m mistaken, then you agree with me in that the slaughters didn’t result simply from a determination to impose atheism upon the populace.

[Khandro]

naomi;// then you agree with me in that the slaughters didn’t result simply from a determination to impose atheism upon the populace.//
Of course I agree with you, and you know very well I have never said such a thing.

This short article should make good New Year reading btw, and I'm grateful to him for drawing my attention to that excellent quote of Dostoyevsky's


https://atheisticviolence.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/atheism-not-religion-is-the-force-behind-the-mass-murders-of-history/

[naomi24]

Khandro, //Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people. //

Firstly Hitler wasn’t an atheist, but that said, none of that can be attributed solely to atheism. How many more times do you need it explained to you? Dostoyevsky’s quote “Excellent”? Why? It’s patent nonsense.