Do Christians And Muslims Worship The Same God.

[gordiescotland1]

Hi There I saw a post on facebook that said Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God. And I copied it on to my wall. Anyway one of my really pc friends said that is not true and it is hate crime to say that and if it is not removed she will phone the police. But surely that is true. Muslims worship Allah where as Christians worship God?

[naomi24]

ps. //Of course I agree with you//

Well, what are you blathering on about then?

[naomi24]

By the way, Khandro, have you checked your source out? You should. ;o)

[Khandro]

Yes, he gets mixed reviews, but who doesn't. He is though championed by Thomas Sowell, - got to be a plus there.
I must say I'm disappointed at your response to Dostoyevsky's dictum. I thought you might want to embroider it into a sampler for your bedroom wall.

[naomi24]

Khandro, //He is though championed by Thomas Sowell, - got to be a plus there.//

Was that before or after he was convicted?

I’m not into embroidery, Khandro. I leave that to those who depend upon it.

[Khandro]

A lot of good guys have criminal records, here's one or two;
http://www.papillonfoundation.org/information/notable-criminal-records

but I'm sure you wouldn't hold against them... would you?

[naomi24]

That depends upon what they have to offer. Self-opinionated numbskulls need not apply.

[jomifl]

Khandro, that is a rather misleading link, since being arrested doesn't constitute having a criminal record.

[jomifl]

Khandro, I assume that you are now entering the obfuscation phase of your argument and will soon disappear behind a cloud of smoke :-)

[Khandro]

jomifl; You like metaphor, but not substance. Now its 'clouds of smoke', 'obfuscation' and previously many times, I have "shot myself in the foot" - surprisingly, I am still here standing and giving argument and examples where you cannot seem to substantiate anything on your position. When I post a link to someone giving voice to what I have been saying all along, his argument is dismissed as "misleading" because at some point in his life he committed a minor crime,- not much intellect required for that level dismissal, equally so for your wishing an even further side-step to delve pathetically into the difference between arrest and criminal record, even when Gandhi, Mandella, Galileo are given examples. Obfuscation? you are the expert, not me.
Are you incapable of reasoned argument? It would appear so.

[jomifl]

Bluster away...

[naomi24]

Khandro, //because at some point in his life he committed a minor crime//

His vitriol-filled blog confirms he has committed a major crime - at least on an ethical level. His argument is irrational and simply wrong - and so is yours.

[Khandro]

n. // His argument is irrational and simply wrong//
Why?

[naomi24]

Because in his irrational hatred of atheists he purposefully ignores elements of far greater relevance to the subject – a determined Communist objective, for example. Deceitful men did it with the Jews too, you know.

[jomifl]

Khandro, you are getting muddled, I have not suggested that someone's argument was weakened by the person being guilty of committing a crime. As for 'delving pathetically' I was highlighting your inaccurate and irrelevant list of people with 'criminal records' who in fact mostly didn't have criminal records. My point was (though you seem to attempt to deliberately misunderstand it) that not only do you try to bring irrelevant issues into a discussion but the 'facts' you introduce are inaccurate too. As usual you resort to insults and bluster when your arguments are shown to have no substance, which of course tells us that you know that you have lost the argument but don't have the cojones to admit it. I regret resorting to insults but as you have been dishing them out then its about time you received some.

[Khandro]

naomi;// Deceitful men did it with the Jews too, you know.//
De Souza would agree with you;

"The crimes of atheism have generally been perpetrated through a hubristic ideology that sees man, not God, as the creator of values. Using the latest techniques of science and technology, man seeks to displace God and create a secular utopia here on earth. Of course if some people – the Jews, the landowners, have to be eliminated in order to achieve this utopia, this is a price the atheist tyrants and their apologists have shown themselves quite willing to pay. Thus they confirm the truth of Fyodor Dostoyevsky’s dictum, “If God is not, everything is permitted.”

jomifl; The bringing of a person's criminal record (not by you) is irrelevant to the debate, and was an attempt to obfuscate what the person said by attacking the shadow instead of the substance. I'm not going back to look at my list, but if a person is arrested, tried and imprisoned, he has a criminal record (guilty of the charge or not) and that applies to Mandella and Gandhi as well as some others.

[jomifl]

By the way Khandro, the website to which you provided a link on the 1st Jan does not substantiate your claims with facts at all, it simply echos your views.
You might take some time to read the replies posted on the website, they pretty much reflect what has been said on this thread.. It is interesting that people with a 'belief' mentality are incapable of comprehending the concept of lack of belief.

[Khandro]

jomifl; I read all the replies on that site before I posted it, and that is why I said 12:43 Fri. "Yes, he gets mixed reviews, but who doesn't. He is though championed by Thomas Sowell, - got to be a plus there."

//It is interesting that people with a 'belief' mentality are incapable of comprehending the concept of lack of belief.//

I can comprehend it alright, what I am arguing on this thread (which is way off the OP, I know) is that it is that very lack of belief which has been responsible for the overseeing of so much bloodshed in the former USSR*, China and Cambodia and more. I shall leave out the Nazis because someone will say that Hitler wasn't an atheist, though I think you will find that those responsible for the atrocities in the death camps were not exactly religious.

*Denial of this now carries a 5-year jail sentence in modern Russia.

The 'lack of belief' theme continues on my thread; 'Is Atheism And Secularization Aiding Jihadism?' in R&S.

[naomi24]

Khandro, De Souza doesn’t agree with me. If he did you wouldn’t be arguing with me.

//the truth of Fyodor Dostoyevsky’s dictum, “If God is not, everything is permitted.”//

That isn’t true. It’s demonstrably stupid. Show me a lawless society.

[jomifl]

Khandro, If you understood what atheism is you wouldn't regard it as a belief. It is a lack of belief as I have told you before.

[jomifl]

Khandro,
/ He is though championed by Thomas Sowell, - got to be a plus there." /
Why? that is just somebody's view it isn't an argument. Thomas Sowell's views are irrelevant as they are not an argument, however moral sounding.