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Would you still love God if you knew he was going to damn you to eternal torment? After all you assert that we are all born sinners and worthy of hell because God is 'righteous' and that's what we deserve.
Seems to me that the religious, for all their talk of loving God, are only loving God because they are afraid of NOT doing so.
Not been flippant here, I'm genuinely interested in why you would want to worship an entity that would torture you for an eternity if you DIDNT love him.
Thanks :-)
Seems to me that the religious, for all their talk of loving God, are only loving God because they are afraid of NOT doing so.
Not been flippant here, I'm genuinely interested in why you would want to worship an entity that would torture you for an eternity if you DIDNT love him.
Thanks :-)
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AnneAsquith: "You and your relentless posts nailit re religion are really tiresome ...Are you drinking ?"
Eleena: "... in the morning when you're sober nailit"
I've thought a few times about raising a thread with the title "Second blast of the trumpet against the monstrous regiment of women".
Not now, though, I'm drinking. (And watching the Lennon murder)
Eleena: "... in the morning when you're sober nailit"
I've thought a few times about raising a thread with the title "Second blast of the trumpet against the monstrous regiment of women".
Not now, though, I'm drinking. (And watching the Lennon murder)
As usual, sanctimonious hypocrisy from the religious " holier than thou" brigade. Nailit asks a question and nobody answers it, yet as usual, demands proof of what he's saying. When he quotes from the bible what do we get? Silence or "you don't understand", "you are misinterpreting it" or the favourite" I haven't time to discuss it".
Why do you get so upset when asked to explain something that we don't understand ? I'm constantly being told that you believe because of the facts but nobody can ever give me a fact. Quoting from the bible is not fact, where is the proof that all you think is true ever happened? If I quote from Grimm's Fairy tales does that make it a fact? you will, quite rightly say no but when you quote from the bible you expect me to accept what you're saying without proof and without question.
Theland wrote this on 6th of December 2017.
" I know this because I believe in the Bible, and I am convinced that based on evidence, it is true."
I asked him to show the evidence but he's reluctant to answer, is it any wonder we get exasperated when a clear cut statement such as his is just left hanging in the air?
Why do you get so upset when asked to explain something that we don't understand ? I'm constantly being told that you believe because of the facts but nobody can ever give me a fact. Quoting from the bible is not fact, where is the proof that all you think is true ever happened? If I quote from Grimm's Fairy tales does that make it a fact? you will, quite rightly say no but when you quote from the bible you expect me to accept what you're saying without proof and without question.
Theland wrote this on 6th of December 2017.
" I know this because I believe in the Bible, and I am convinced that based on evidence, it is true."
I asked him to show the evidence but he's reluctant to answer, is it any wonder we get exasperated when a clear cut statement such as his is just left hanging in the air?
Beso@ You say you have a life outside AB. I would never have known it, you seem to spend an enormous amount of time here.
Anyway, thats beside the point. I said I would get back to you and so here goes.
I reaffirm my observation that you do not know your Bible as well as you think. You nit pick on points that are not in context. We can all do that. But as with most things to get full understanding of a matter, the wise man will look at things from all angles to get the full perspective.
Your reference to Hosea 13 v 16 quote: "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
To get the meaning of this verse you need to look at who was speaking, to whom, the place and time period.
It was Hosea speaking to Samaria and it was foretelling a future event. Historical records show that the Assyrians, who were a cruel and tortuous race conquered Samaria and committed these acts. The Assyrians would skin their captives alive, they would cut off their heads and place football with them and they took great delight in cutting off body parts of the children.
The other scripture you referred to: 2 Kings 15 v 16.
Again you need to read the surrounding verses. For example reading from verse 13 through 18.
"And the rest of the acts of Shallum, and his conspiracy which he made, behold, they are written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel.
16
Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
17
In the nine and thirtieth year of Azariah king of Judah began Menahem the son of Gadi to reign over Israel, and reigned ten years in Samaria.
18
And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD: he departed not all his days from the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin."
Again it was not God who ordered this atrocity. It was the evil and wicked king Menahem who meted out harsh treatment because the people rejected him.
I think that will do for the moment. I am sure you will come up with some counter argument, but in the meantime enjoy the rest of your holiday and I will research other scriptures.
Anyway, thats beside the point. I said I would get back to you and so here goes.
I reaffirm my observation that you do not know your Bible as well as you think. You nit pick on points that are not in context. We can all do that. But as with most things to get full understanding of a matter, the wise man will look at things from all angles to get the full perspective.
Your reference to Hosea 13 v 16 quote: "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
To get the meaning of this verse you need to look at who was speaking, to whom, the place and time period.
It was Hosea speaking to Samaria and it was foretelling a future event. Historical records show that the Assyrians, who were a cruel and tortuous race conquered Samaria and committed these acts. The Assyrians would skin their captives alive, they would cut off their heads and place football with them and they took great delight in cutting off body parts of the children.
The other scripture you referred to: 2 Kings 15 v 16.
Again you need to read the surrounding verses. For example reading from verse 13 through 18.
"And the rest of the acts of Shallum, and his conspiracy which he made, behold, they are written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel.
16
Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
17
In the nine and thirtieth year of Azariah king of Judah began Menahem the son of Gadi to reign over Israel, and reigned ten years in Samaria.
18
And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD: he departed not all his days from the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin."
Again it was not God who ordered this atrocity. It was the evil and wicked king Menahem who meted out harsh treatment because the people rejected him.
I think that will do for the moment. I am sure you will come up with some counter argument, but in the meantime enjoy the rest of your holiday and I will research other scriptures.
idiosyncracy //Hosea 13 v 16 quote: "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
To get the meaning of this verse you need to look at who was speaking, to whom, the place and time period.
It was Hosea speaking to Samaria and it was foretelling a future event. Historical records show that the Assyrians, who were a cruel and tortuous race conquered Samaria and committed these acts. The Assyrians would skin their captives alive, they would cut off their heads and place football with them and they took great delight in cutting off body parts of the children. //
Note this line:
//Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: //
Your God, who controls the universe, allowed/made this happen because Samaria had turned away from Him. Sicko.
To get the meaning of this verse you need to look at who was speaking, to whom, the place and time period.
It was Hosea speaking to Samaria and it was foretelling a future event. Historical records show that the Assyrians, who were a cruel and tortuous race conquered Samaria and committed these acts. The Assyrians would skin their captives alive, they would cut off their heads and place football with them and they took great delight in cutting off body parts of the children. //
Note this line:
//Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: //
Your God, who controls the universe, allowed/made this happen because Samaria had turned away from Him. Sicko.
@idiosyncracy
I would most like to hear your perspectives on the Hebrew genocidal rampage chronicled in Joshua, where, under the guidance of your God, they brutally slaughtered every last soul in more than thirty tribes who were already living in the "Promised Land".
They enslaved two tribes as punishment because they tried to broker peace.
I would most like to hear your perspectives on the Hebrew genocidal rampage chronicled in Joshua, where, under the guidance of your God, they brutally slaughtered every last soul in more than thirty tribes who were already living in the "Promised Land".
They enslaved two tribes as punishment because they tried to broker peace.
Follow that with an explanation of the "morality" behind His decision to punish all women in perpetuity with increased pain in childbirth because the first woman disobeyed Him. Remember to that she was tricked into doing it by Satan.
How is it fair? And why are the sins of the father a reason to punish all descendants to the third and fourth generation. Why should my grandchildren pay the price for the sins of my grandfather?
The "morality" of your God is founded in primitive bigotry. It underpins most of what is wrong in this world.
How is it fair? And why are the sins of the father a reason to punish all descendants to the third and fourth generation. Why should my grandchildren pay the price for the sins of my grandfather?
The "morality" of your God is founded in primitive bigotry. It underpins most of what is wrong in this world.
IT is what it is. You judge God? By your standard So? Then we all need to consult a theologian well versed in the history of the time to get a definitive answer. God had His reasons and You can find then out if you so wish. Web sites dealing with difficult bible passages abouund with YouTube speakers dealing with this.
There's a notion of divine judgment in the OT. Slaughtering the Amorites when the cup of iniquity is full etc... That by the hand of the Israelites. Then again the delightful metaphor of Israel (first as a whole and later in it its northern and Judaic part) as an adulterous wife who would eventually be punished by the wronged Husband at the hands of Assyrians the first times round and then Babylon. Was that Jeremiah in the latter instance?
Oh, by the way, you pick up a bit of this from history generally, the OT, and in my case English lessons. "The Assyrian came down like a wolf on the fold...". Tiglath Pilesar III or Sennacherib I can't remember, but it's anapaestic.
Oh, by the way, you pick up a bit of this from history generally, the OT, and in my case English lessons. "The Assyrian came down like a wolf on the fold...". Tiglath Pilesar III or Sennacherib I can't remember, but it's anapaestic.
Theland //IT is what it is. You judge God? By your standard So? //
Yes I judge your God as a monster who is devoid of any sense of fairness.
You and your kind have abrogated any sense of morality and uncritically accepted the arbitrary prejudices of ignorant neolithic misogynists. You cannot provide an intelligently reasoned justification for any of your beliefs.
"God said" is good enough for you. That makes you and your kind very dangerous people because you will do as you are told without a thought. Just as the Hebrews did under the control of Joshua. He told them to hack everyone to death so they did it without question.
Yes I judge your God as a monster who is devoid of any sense of fairness.
You and your kind have abrogated any sense of morality and uncritically accepted the arbitrary prejudices of ignorant neolithic misogynists. You cannot provide an intelligently reasoned justification for any of your beliefs.
"God said" is good enough for you. That makes you and your kind very dangerous people because you will do as you are told without a thought. Just as the Hebrews did under the control of Joshua. He told them to hack everyone to death so they did it without question.
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