Fao Theland

[andy-hughes]

Theland, I did ask this question on the thread in News, but I think it deserves a separate discussion -

As a Christian I am assuming that you follow the belief that God has a 'plan' for each of us.

What do you believe is his 'plan' for the victims of the recently deceased paedophile who has been murdered in prison?

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // There is Jesus Christ, who shared in this moral evil, and therefore shared in our collective suffering.
The cross is the answer to moral evil.
We are not promised heaven on earth.
This world is fallen, and it's history is a journey to total redemption.
Some of the answers you seek are in the videos.
Take some time to skip through them and watch any parts that grab your attention. //

I doubt you have made that up, and even if you have, it utterly fails to address the point I am happy to repeat - why did your God not save these innocent children from abuse when you believe it is in his power to do so.

What is God's 'plan' for these children, that includes them being abused in this way?

[Mozz71]

//Mozz - // This thread just seemed like an excuse for the OP to try and score some cheap points against you. //

That's your interpretation, and in my view it is incorrect.

I am asking a question, and I would like an answer, there is no 'scoring points', cheap or otherwise in that.//

Whatever you say mate, as I've already stated, Theland can fend for himself. Your motives are irrelevant now.

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // Whatever you say mate, as I've already stated, Theland can fend for himself. Your motives are irrelevant now. //

My 'motives' are to get a question answered, it's what we do on here.

[naomi24]

AH, //That again fails to address my question to Theland, where is the protection of his 'loving God'//

You’re not listening. Par for the course.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // AH, //That again fails to address my question to Theland, where is the protection of his 'loving God'//

You’re not listening. Par for the course. //

In the interest of debate, how about you parking the rudeness, and pointing out what you think I have not listened to, and I will respond, that's a better way I am sure you will agree.

[Theland]

God will not interfere in the execution of evil by evil people.
That is what I understand and also my, and your experience.
This life is not the end, we make the best of it we can, help each other and support each other.
I am no expert on Christian Apologetics, but I do almost understand it when I listen and watch lectures by those who are expert.
Look up Ravi Zacharias for an intelligent response to your questions.
He is just one of many highly qualified Christians that I am sure will interest you.

[naomi24]

AH. Simply stating a fact. You’ve been told that there is no ‘God’s plan’ for individuals but nevertheless you persist – demonstrating that you don’t listen.

Until something more interesting is forthcoming, I'll leave you to it.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // God will not interfere in the execution of evil by evil people.
That is what I understand and also my, and your experience. //

Now we're getting somewhere.

If you acknowledge that God will not interfere in the execution of evil, then it would appear that the death of Jesus to save us from sin was a complete waste of time - because sin is clearly manifest in the world.

Therefore, if we accept that God allows evil to pervade our world, in what way is he deserving of love, worship and devotion?

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // AH. Simply stating a fact. You’ve been told that there is no ‘God’s plan’ for individuals but nevertheless you persist – demonstrating that you don’t listen. //

You, and I have read many times that Theland talks of 'God's plan' for us - it would appear that such a 'plan' is entirely selective - a bit rich from an infallible being, I am sure you would agree.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // You’ve been told that there is no ‘God’s plan’ for individuals but nevertheless you persist – demonstrating that you don’t listen. //

You appear to think that I should accept I have been 'told' and simply go away.

That is a colossally arrogant approach to a debate, and one which, unsurprisingly, I am unwilling to co-operate with.

As a questioning adult, I don't take kindly to being 'told' by anyone who is assuming that they have the monopoly on handing down judgements on my questions and opinions.

[Theland]

Andy - Thank you for your posts.
I shall gladly return to them soon but I have a few things to do and a quick shopping trip to do.
But I appreciate your input, challenging and thought provoking.
Speak later.

[naomi24]

AH, you asked a question, I answered it. That the right answer doesn't suit your purpose isn't my problem.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // AH, you asked a question, I answered it. That the right answer doesn't suit your purpose isn't my problem. //

That you think it;s the right answer isn't mine either.

I thought you were leaving me to it?

[Theland]

I'm back. Now you two behave yourselves and keep your voices down, some people are trying to sleep :-)

[naomi24]

AH, it is the right answer, Christians believe that man has been given free will. Hence their lives are not pre-destined.

[Theland]

That, I think, is Calvinism.

[mibn2cweus]

Here's what I was 'taught' regarding such issues. Mankind (through Adam) is fallen and worthy of eternal damnation. Kiddy fiddling or being kiddy fiddled (as son's of Adam) is to be expected and our rightful due. I do not agree whatsoever with this worldview nor will I ignore that such a worldview exists, nor its consequences.

[Theland]

We are lambs to the slaughter, and that. Evans death.
We may live a life free of pain, violence, and stress but that is not guaranteed.
What is guaranteed is that God is in full control, that through the cross, Jesus has defeated Satan and death, and we can share in this victory by believing in God and accepting His unconditional gift of forgiveness for sin and acceptance to eternal life.
Wow! What a deal! It's great! Have some!

[Zacs-Master]

How can he be in full control when you've admitted that, sometimes, he's looking the other way?

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // AH, it is the right answer, Christians believe that man has been given free will. Hence their lives are not pre-destined. //

That still does not address my point that small children do not, and cannot have 'free will' as the Christian faith understands it.