One Question And Answer At A Time If We Can?

[Theland]

1st Question - Do you believe in a universal law of cause and effect?
(Brief answers?)

[Theland]

Completely fair and welcome.

[pixie374]

Thank you... but while you are claiming that everything has a cause... you are also claiming that God doesn't.

Can you please explain why, and how, you know this?

[Theland]

Because to avoid infinite regression, there has to be a first uncaused cause.
Also, at the risk of abuse, I believe the bible, and an infinite God is central to my belief.
Why do I believe the bible?
Wow!
I'm setting myself up for a tirade of mocking but I'll try to answer to your satisfaction, but later if you ask.

[pixie374]

Please do... the bible obviously doesn't prove itself. But if you are happy with common sense and logic... I would still like to see your views...

Why are you assuming that the uncaused first cause (if you are right) has to be a god?

[Theland]

Do we agree on an uncaused first cause?

[pixie374]

I have no idea... something, I think, must have come first. But that is instinct rather than knowledge.

[beso]

There is no universal law of cause and effect. Quantum Mechanics demonstrates the fundamental nature of reality is random.

If you presume there is a law of cause and effect then you are faced with a choice between infinite regression or a breaking of the "universal" law by having something without a cause. Either way it is clearly nonsense.

Moreover, having a god as the original cause requires that the most complex thing there could ever be has to be the thing without a cause and it must exist without anywhere to exist in. Crazy.

Science shows us that the first thing is a formless ball of pure energy that burst into existence through random fluctuations in the Void. From this comes all the complexity we see by following a small number of well established universal relationships for which there have been no observed exceptions.

[beso]

Theland premise for everything is to set an rule that he insists science is bound by (even when the science show it is not) then call an exemption for God.

Universal cause and effect for everything except God.

Evolution is wrong because nobody has ever seen an animal turn into another species (won't accept speciation in microorganisms). Of course nobody has ever seen an any organism created from nothing as his god is supposed to have done but that OK.

Nobody has ever seen his god either but we are to accept it exists because some ignorant Bronze Age men said so an wrote it in a book that is full of contradictions.

Give us a break Theland and start answering the questions we ask you before you repeat the nonsense we have already debunked many times.

[mibn2cweus]

Causality does not exist 'outside' of or apart from that within which it takes place. Causality, like the codependent aspects of time and space, acquires meaning only within the context of the universe from which it became manifest and to which it applies. The universe had no cause or beginning, it is the stage upon which all things within it (including time, space and indeed consciousness itself) begin, take place, unfold and acquire form.

Next question?

[Old_Geezer]

In the macro world, now it's running, yes. In the quantum world, no, and prior to the emergence of the universe, questionable/debatable.

[naomi24]

Theland, //His own name for Himself is,"I am." //

Read the book....

But here's a thought. Names distinguish people/animals/gods etc., from one another ... so if there's only one God why does he need a name?

//eternal presence. //

Read the book.

//God has his own cause for existence beyond and outside of things created. //

How very ethereal - and entirely without foundation.

[Atheist]

Theland; if there is a first cause, how do you know that it is a male, beneficent, loving, demanding......? If you say because it's in the Bible, I would simply ask why do you keep on seeking to reason with us and persuade us by logic? Why not just accept your book and give us all a rest?

[nailit]

You have one answer to EVERY question that you pose /ask of unbelievers Theland...
Magic!

How did the universe come about?
Magic.

What is consciousness?
Magic

Why are we here?
Magic

How does a snake talk?
Magic

How did Noah manage to feed panda's on Noah's ark for a year on a diet of bamboo shoots or koalas on a diet of eucalyptus leaves?
No problem. Magic

So why do you try to introduce science into any debate when all you do is fall back on 'magic'?

[Theland]

I'm not dying to convince any body of anything.
I have my beliefs and you have yours.
That's it.

[nailit]

//I'm not dying to convince any body of anything//
Who said you were?
Stop moving the goalposts.

[nailit]

And becoming the victim AGAIN...

[nailit]

1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect

Theland 21;40
I have my beliefs and you have yours.
That's it.

I detect a slight discrepency here...

[Theland]

What do you want Nailit? Blood?

[nailit]

Grow up Theland

[nailit]

How much more rediculous can you get?
Do I want blood? LOL
I want a smoke of whatever you'r on!