Why Do Theists....

[nailit]

think that unbelievers are unbelievers by choice?

[Theland]

Naomi, you have no interest apart from regurgitating error after error in the false belief you are right.
Find your own way, I have found mine.

[naomi24]

Which so-called facts are wrong, Theland?

[vulcan42]

Theland, part of your answer at 04:39
\\ but be more open minded and look at the alternatives.//
Previously to that nailit asked you this,
\\ Will you (in return) study the Bhagavad Gita and learn from the lectures on You Tube from really good people.//
Your reply \\ Nailit - No I won't.//
As usual, you're telling other people what to do but refuse to do it yourself.

[nailit]

Theland @ 00:30 Mon 25th May 2020
//If there was anything in Hinduism, he would never have left.
Would he?//

And if there was anything in Christianity *I* would never have left.

[Theland]

Good for you.
You win a teddy bear.

[maggiebee]

Nailit, why do you put yourself through this on a regular basis? Answers won't change you know. You're like a broken record - sorry, lockdown getting to me!!

[naomi24]

nailit, Ravi Zacharias was never Hindu so there's no question of him ever having left Hinduism. He was born to a Christian family.

[naomi24]

Any advance on the errors in my 'so-called' facts yet, Theland?

[nailit]

//nailit, Ravi Zacharias was never Hindu so there's no question of him ever having left Hinduism. He was born to a Christian family//

Appreciate that naomi but Theland was making the point that someone would never have left a belief system if it was right and I was kind of agreeing with him....I would never have left evangelical Christianity *if it was right* ;-)

[naomi24]

Good point, nailit.

[nailit]

//Nailit, why do you put yourself through this on a regular basis?//
Its the masochist in me maggie :-)

[Theland]

Hindu / Anglican yes my mistake.
I admit my mistake.

[Theland]

Nailit - You would never have left ........... etc.

So what did you leave into?

Your atheism answers nothing.

You spend your life trying to destroy the be!iefs of others.

That's sad.

[naomi24]

Theland, you said I'm regurgitating error after error but you won't tell me what errors you think I've made. Why not? If you're right I'll be happy to acknowledge my errors.

[Theland]

'' If it was right.''

How do you know it is not?

You have demonstrated time again that you are concerned with how much scripture you read, bit have little understanding.

You would get more fun reading the Yellow Pages.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // You have demonstrated time again that you are concerned with how much scripture you read, bit have little understanding. //

There are some on here who believe that they can quantify a level of understanding - or indeed a lack of it - based entirely on reading posts offered.

I think this is not possible - because understanding is not as quantifiable concept, so you cannot know what has, or has not, been understood.

You can know if someone has read something or not - they can state that the have read, for example, the bible, and we must take them at their word.

We absolutely cannot deny that they have read anything - only they know, and stating differently is simply telling untruths.

But reading something is quantifiable - you either have read something or you have not, but assessing understanding, even for the individual concerned, is a moveable feast.

It is inappropriate in my view, to criticise someone for 'failure to understand' something when that is only your perception, and not something you can say with any level of certainty.

[naomi24]

Theland, when you read scripture do you ever notice the inconsistency between that and your belief? For example, I imagine you think God is omniscient but scripture makes it clear that he isn’t. How do you qualify that? You say that Nailit and I have no understanding of scripture but that’s the sort of thing that hits me in the eye. I can’t overlook it. Why would anyone overlook it?

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // Theland, when you read scripture do you ever notice the inconsistency between that and your belief? For example, I imagine you think God is omniscient but scripture makes it clear that he isn’t. How do you qualify that? //

From my experience of it, faith means you have to accept a huge amount of information that is contradicted elsewhere, or else is simply not credible.

But that, as I understand it, is the actual definition of faith - hearing about something that has no feasible basis in fact, but you believe in it anyway.

[Theland]

I am forever struck by the energy spent on trying to destroy my faith.

Nailit is classical example.

Why?

[Purist]

I will admit I do not understand why some people who have turned away from religion still spend their time picking holes in it and arguing about it. Believers will believe regardless of what "evidence" you have found about their specific religion. Can you not adopt a live and let live sort of attitude and try to get on as people without the religious/Atheist label?