Atheism, Agnosticism, Belief.

[Theland]

Nine and a half minutes. Very interesting.
Presented by Dinesh D'Souza, featuring Neo de Grasses Tyson.

https://youtu.be/jYi7yHeKBEI

[Paigntonian]

Theland: Sorry, is what an order?

[nailit]

//Nailit: Was Christ around in the Bronze Age?//

No, but immaterial anyway.
Jesus (at least according to the New Testament Writers) believed in the Old Testament Myths....Jonha and the whale (or big fish if you want to be pedantic), Adam & Eve etc.

[Theland]

'' Don't need lessons. '' well ask what you want to know!

[vulcan42]

\\ 21:04 :- of course He could!//
So why did the Bible, you know, the book that you live by, say he couldn't? He asked Adam where are you and he asked Cain where Abel was. From your answer it seems you don't believe everything in the Bible. You have, of course, stated that you hadn't read all of it but I would have thought you had at least read Genesis.

[naomi24]

Theland, //God IS. //

So is the universe. Your unsubstantiated arguments are pitiable.

[Theland]

Vulcan, I read the bible as it was written.
I wouldn't let that passage become an obstacle to me.

Unsubstantiated? To you yes. A closed mind, doing nothing but scratch the surface in between your other activities. No more than a diversion for you.

[naomi24]

Nonsense. You’ve yet to substantiate your claims, theland.

[Theland]

Nonsense? A universe from nothing, caused by the very universe caused? Now you carry on believing that, and post something constructive if you have anything.

[vulcan42]

\\ Vulcan, I read the bible as it was written.
I wouldn't let that passage become an obstacle to me.//

All that tells me is that if the Bible states something that you don't like you just ignore it. I hope you don't react to the highway code the same way.

[Theland]

Vulcan, not at all. What you have there is a story, that condenses the facts into a readable narrative, that successfully relates the truths of the course of events that are important to us.
Its quite simple really.

[mibn2cweus]

Appeal to 'authority' has never furthered anyone's understanding of anything. Cherry picking or a hundred blind men poking about tells us very little about the true nature of trees or elephants.

[mibn2cweus]

One of the hallmarks of honesty is admitting you don't know everything no matter how many you can find that agree with you.

[Khandro]

Theland loves winding you all up, & you fall for it every time! :0)

[Theland]

Khandro - sorry! If only that were true! Oh what fun we could have.
Sadly, I have to admit to not knowing everything!
I have to do the book work and work it all out by myself.
Mr Degrasse Tyson misses an important point. The central role of love.
Selfishness broke this world and caused it to fall from grace, as told in the anecdotal story of Adam end Eve.
It needed fixing and only the God of love is capable of fixing it, Himself, and us with it.
True love is refined through suffering, burning away the ego and selfishness, and leaving only the refined pure love for God and for each other.
It is a process we are going through, and many will be rejected in the dross of the refining.
Bereavement, sickness, loneliness, victimhood, injustice, penury, affliction, conflict and wars, these are our natural condition to be endured, and to help others endure.
DeGrasse Tyson, for all of his scientific accomplishments is no philosopher of theologian, and uses only part of the multi faceted tool of reason to probe the evidence for God.
He has trapped himself in a straightjacket of empiricism, something that is quite common here on answerbank.
Like the skins on an onion, peel one away, and there's always another to be probed. So many people miss this, yet chime on about reason, and for good measure, logic, but keep on coming to the same conclusions.
Progress is not made, nothing is learned, and we take another turn around the mulberry bush.

[naomi24]

Theland, //post something constructive if you have anything.//

I have posted something constructive. The universe IS. I can see it - I know it exists. When are you going to post something constructive?

[Theland]

What you see IS, and somewhere within it lies the knowledge and ability to self construct. Must be as there is nothing else, is there?
(Oh yes, Dawkins proposes a multiverse, no building instructions included, or, wait for it ....... Panspermia!)

[naomi24]

Theland, //there is nothing else, is there? //

I don't know - and neither do you - but if you have something constructive to say I'm willing to give it consideration. If, on the other hand, all you have to offer is your usual unsubstantiated conjecture, don't bother. I've heard it all before.

[naomi24]

//Dawkins proposes a multiverse, no building instructions included, or, wait for it ....... Panspermia!//

What evidence do you have that he's wrong?

[Theland]

Dawkins wrong? His multiverse is truly pure conjecture.
He has appealed to scientists who are far beyond his paygrade to endorse him and was laughed at.
When he suggested to his audience, panspermia, there was a sharp intake of breath.
All he did was take the problem back one step. A step towards infinite regression.
Never mind, the royalties keep rolling in, indicating of course, mankind's strong desire for answers, but sadly, looking in the wrong place.
As a matter of interest, who have you read or listened to and then rejected, and why? A reasonable question ?

[naomi24]

You don’t tell me why Dawkins is wrong - or why you think you’re right. You just say he’s wrong and you’re right. None of that means anything.

I reject anyone who claims God is the creator, Theland. If any of them had anything substantial to offer it would make world headlines.