Self Righteous Religionists, Just Gotta Love Em Eh?

[nailit]

My sons G/F is pregnant.
Her Uncle is a pastor.
He's just stated that the baby (my grandson) is a product of sin.
You just got to love these people of faith havnt you?

Dick!!

[andy-hughes]

Theland - bored with the fog-plaiting that you offer as 'answers'?

Snap!

[pixie374]

Theland, //I am a sinner and a coward, and my faith is weak, certainly not strong enough to slay my son//

Is that really a weakness? Or do you just have more morals than God?

[Theland]

I'm tired Andy.
There you go as well.
Fog plaiting.
In one phrase you can diminish all of my honest efforts to hold a decent conversation to nothing more than mush.
Fog plaiting suggests that every single point I have made has been done dishonestly and without integrity.
Simply not so. Hence I am very tired.

[vulcan42]

Theland, \\ do you think for a moment He, the Creator of the whole universe, would not use unequivocal clarity?//
Why then is the bible ambiguous and full of contradictions?

[drmorgans]

I think the problem is that if you see the world through the prism of religion, with an almighty creator, then there is coherence. However if you are a non-believer then, to many, science, offers an explanation for the universe. So, let's face it, these two views can never be reconciled, no matter how much discussion and debate ensues.

[Theland]

Dmorgans - science and theology are not at odds with each other.
Both approach God from different perspectives..

[drmorgans]

Really? Most of the scientists I know either don't have faith or have difficulty in reconciling the inconsistencies between the scientific worldview and religion. But if that is what you want to believe, so be it.

[andy-hughes]

Theland at 11.33 - and once again the unpleasant odour of burning martyr wafts on the breeze...

[tamborine]

Thwack pastor's head with heavy bible till he re-iterates Matthew 19:14

[Theland]

Andy, that smell maybe the best from the frustration from scientists who can't answer questions in the face of enormously impossible odds.
Like the odds of forming s single protein 10 to the ,160, when there are only 10 to the 80 atoms in the whole universe!

Life from rocks!
Whales from cows!

You believe in that rubbish?

[andy-hughes]

Theland - I don't know and I accept that I don't know.

You don't know, so you assuage your ignorance by assuming that it must be God's work.

History shows that anything science cannot verify is explained eventually.

So it will - and in the meantime, I am happy to accept that no-one knows lots of things, and you are miserable, desperate to plug the gaps in knowledge with the pointless catch-all - if we don't know, it must be God.

Day by day your assertions are debunked on here, but you persist in flying in the face of questions, because it would mean admitting that you might be wrong.

Please don't respond with your 'weak sinner's schtick - that doesn't cut it either.

[naomi24]

//You don't know, so you assuage your ignorance by assuming that it must be God's work. //

But before that Theland assumes that a God - and in particular his God - exists. He doesn't know that either.

[andy-hughes]

naomi - // //You don't know, so you assuage your ignorance by assuming that it must be God's work. //

But before that Theland assumes that a God - and in particular his God - exists. He doesn't know that either. //

A fair point.

At this stage in the proceedings, I am happy to take it as read that Theland is convinced that his god exists, and he has, and will resist any and all attempts to engage him in meaningful debate on that subject.

Therefore I am willing to move into the finer points of Theland's unshakable belief - mainly that anything science cannot explain must automatically default to God's doing.

Given that an Elizabethan scientist would have considered a mobile phone to be the work of the devil, I am happy to accept that the anomalies that Theland scoffs at today, will be explained and understood tomorrow.

I also accept that by then, the notion of believing in God will be seen as we now see the notion of cave dwellers worshiping the sun - a primitive superstition of the time.

[Theland]

Andy, you indeed have an admirable and apparently unshakeable faith in what you believe.
The word atheist does not become one who has such a strong belief in, er, what?
You should have a suitable name for the object of your faith, but atheist doesn't fit the bill.

[andy-hughes]

I don't have a 'faith' Theland, a concept you appear to have difficulty in grasping.

[Theland]

Your faith is in future science.
That's good that.

Scientist to rock : '' Come on! Breathe!''

[vulcan42]

\\ Scientist to rock : '' Come on! Breathe!''//
Link?

[Theland]

Its in the future. Ask Andy!

[andy-hughes]

I do not have 'faith's in future science Theland.

I have no issue accepting that you have faith, why do you consistently refuse to accept that I do not?

[Mozz71]

Theland, surely belief in a person's (or people) ability to achieve progress and a spiritual faith are two very different things?