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He Is Risen!
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"Thine be the glory
Risen conquering Son
Endless is the victory
Thou o'er death hast won"
Happy Easter to you all. Whatever your faith is or isn't
"Thine be the glory
Risen conquering Son
Endless is the victory
Thou o'er death hast won"
Happy Easter to you all. Whatever your faith is or isn't
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Theland, it's not a 'big question' for me at all, and unlike you, I couldn't care less if the AB community agrees with me or not.
It's you that defends your god, impossible though that is, I just argue your absence of evidence.
If you stopped posting about god God tomorrow, I would have forgotten your arguments by Wednesday morning.
It's you that defends your god, impossible though that is, I just argue your absence of evidence.
If you stopped posting about god God tomorrow, I would have forgotten your arguments by Wednesday morning.
Theland, //trying to convey my thoughts on this are so difficult to people whose minds are already made up.
The evidence is there for you too. //
You're talking to people, many of whom have examined the evidence and found it wanting. They give you the evidence to support that - and you ignore it. Whose mind is already made up?
The evidence is there for you too. //
You're talking to people, many of whom have examined the evidence and found it wanting. They give you the evidence to support that - and you ignore it. Whose mind is already made up?
Naomi, you are talking to somebody who knows the evidence and found it convincing.
So? Now what?
Why not discuss the evidence itself?
The default position for atheism is usually a question of faith in science, but faith nevertheless.
Science is baffled by the origin of the universe, life from inert chemicals, and a hugely problematic faith in evolution.
So where is your evidence for our world without God?
The responses from atheists on here quite often add to the evidence for the truth of the bible, as each player plays their scripted part in the great game of life as foretold so accurately in the bible.
You can't escape its truth, nor carve out for yourself a different role.
It is truly, ''either / or,'' and attacking my faith will never offer you any comfort, only the fleeting satisfaction of the occasional hollow victory in a debate.
Its sad really.
So? Now what?
Why not discuss the evidence itself?
The default position for atheism is usually a question of faith in science, but faith nevertheless.
Science is baffled by the origin of the universe, life from inert chemicals, and a hugely problematic faith in evolution.
So where is your evidence for our world without God?
The responses from atheists on here quite often add to the evidence for the truth of the bible, as each player plays their scripted part in the great game of life as foretold so accurately in the bible.
You can't escape its truth, nor carve out for yourself a different role.
It is truly, ''either / or,'' and attacking my faith will never offer you any comfort, only the fleeting satisfaction of the occasional hollow victory in a debate.
Its sad really.
Theland, the 'default position' for atheism is not faith in science, it is an absence of 'faith's at all.
Your fervent view of the world assumes that everyone else is as faith-driven as you are, which is nonsense.
Your notion - if it can't be explained it must be God, is not matched by your imagined atheist view - if it can't be explained, it must be science.
As I have advised many times - fervents stay in anguisihing about faith and why it makes mo sense, atheists don't care, and are out enjoying the sunshine.
Your fervent view of the world assumes that everyone else is as faith-driven as you are, which is nonsense.
Your notion - if it can't be explained it must be God, is not matched by your imagined atheist view - if it can't be explained, it must be science.
As I have advised many times - fervents stay in anguisihing about faith and why it makes mo sense, atheists don't care, and are out enjoying the sunshine.
Theland, //you are talking to somebody who knows the evidence and found it convincing.
So? Now what?
Why not discuss the evidence itself?//
Evidence without support isn’t evidence - and I’ve yet to see you produce that. I’ve discussed what you call evidence - and it isn’t.
//The default position for atheism is usually a question of faith in science, but faith nevertheless.//
You’re mistaken. I have confidence that science investigates and progresses, but that isn’t faith. I know that despite insistence that the current ‘model’ should be accepted, science, on production of new evidence changes its stance, and therefore I feel it absolutely right to allow all options to be aired. Anything less, in my opinion, denies curiosity and research in other directions, and is, hence, detrimental to education. That is why I (and I believe others) no longer post in the now ‘quality controlled’ by one mod Science section of AB.
//So where is your evidence for our world without God?//
Where is your evidence for God? I don’t have a problem with anyone discussing the possibility of such an entity’s existence but I do have a problem with declaring God to be the ‘model’ that the world shouldn't question. See my previous paragraph.
//attacking my faith//
Since you’ve morphed into victim mode again, I’ll leave it there for now.
So? Now what?
Why not discuss the evidence itself?//
Evidence without support isn’t evidence - and I’ve yet to see you produce that. I’ve discussed what you call evidence - and it isn’t.
//The default position for atheism is usually a question of faith in science, but faith nevertheless.//
You’re mistaken. I have confidence that science investigates and progresses, but that isn’t faith. I know that despite insistence that the current ‘model’ should be accepted, science, on production of new evidence changes its stance, and therefore I feel it absolutely right to allow all options to be aired. Anything less, in my opinion, denies curiosity and research in other directions, and is, hence, detrimental to education. That is why I (and I believe others) no longer post in the now ‘quality controlled’ by one mod Science section of AB.
//So where is your evidence for our world without God?//
Where is your evidence for God? I don’t have a problem with anyone discussing the possibility of such an entity’s existence but I do have a problem with declaring God to be the ‘model’ that the world shouldn't question. See my previous paragraph.
//attacking my faith//
Since you’ve morphed into victim mode again, I’ll leave it there for now.
Andy, enjoy the sunshine .... while it lasts.
Sadly, it won't last forever.
Naomi, I share your view of science, the world is intelligible, and we should desire and seek to understand it.
Yes science changes as the facts change. No argument there.
Your problem in failing to appreciate God is a denial of the evidence, and yes, a faith or confidence, that science will have all of the answers eventually.
Not so.
Science itself is part of the creation, and is therefore impotent in investigating the Creator.
That remains the domain of revelation.
Sadly, it won't last forever.
Naomi, I share your view of science, the world is intelligible, and we should desire and seek to understand it.
Yes science changes as the facts change. No argument there.
Your problem in failing to appreciate God is a denial of the evidence, and yes, a faith or confidence, that science will have all of the answers eventually.
Not so.
Science itself is part of the creation, and is therefore impotent in investigating the Creator.
That remains the domain of revelation.
Yes Andy I can prove it.
500 years ago, people were reading the scriptures, about this nation, Israel, prosperous and powerful. Yet Israel had not existed for 1500 years!
All the prophecies regarding Israel came true, and suddenly many of the prophecies made sense.
They are still coming true, as are those regarding the global economic systems and religions.
The bible is true and the proof you ask for.
That is just a taste of its accuracy, enough for one post.
500 years ago, people were reading the scriptures, about this nation, Israel, prosperous and powerful. Yet Israel had not existed for 1500 years!
All the prophecies regarding Israel came true, and suddenly many of the prophecies made sense.
They are still coming true, as are those regarding the global economic systems and religions.
The bible is true and the proof you ask for.
That is just a taste of its accuracy, enough for one post.
Theland - // Yes Andy I can prove it.
500 years ago, people were reading the scriptures, about this nation, Israel, prosperous and powerful. Yet Israel had not existed for 1500 years!
All the prophecies regarding Israel came true, and suddenly many of the prophecies made sense.
They are still coming true, as are those regarding the global economic systems and religions.
The bible is true and the proof you ask for.
That is just a taste of its accuracy, enough for one post. //
As you often point out, the bible is open to interpretation, and interpretation is a moveable feast.
Anyone can interpret anything to suit their own viewpoint, and as such, interpretation can never stand up as proof of any kind.
It is a matter of explanation, and how the explanation is offered, and more importantly, how it is received is as variable as you want it to be.
None of this is fact - so it is not proof, and I cannot accept it as such, even though you offer it on a regular basis.
Just because you choose to see the writings of the bible and events in Israel as one proving the other does not make it so, it simply allows you to believe what you want to believe.
It is not evidence, or proof, and if you are honest, you know that as well as I do.
500 years ago, people were reading the scriptures, about this nation, Israel, prosperous and powerful. Yet Israel had not existed for 1500 years!
All the prophecies regarding Israel came true, and suddenly many of the prophecies made sense.
They are still coming true, as are those regarding the global economic systems and religions.
The bible is true and the proof you ask for.
That is just a taste of its accuracy, enough for one post. //
As you often point out, the bible is open to interpretation, and interpretation is a moveable feast.
Anyone can interpret anything to suit their own viewpoint, and as such, interpretation can never stand up as proof of any kind.
It is a matter of explanation, and how the explanation is offered, and more importantly, how it is received is as variable as you want it to be.
None of this is fact - so it is not proof, and I cannot accept it as such, even though you offer it on a regular basis.
Just because you choose to see the writings of the bible and events in Israel as one proving the other does not make it so, it simply allows you to believe what you want to believe.
It is not evidence, or proof, and if you are honest, you know that as well as I do.
Theland - you have a vested interest in maintaining your belief, so nothing is going to shake you from it.
I honestly couldn't care less if you devote your life to taking 2 and 2 and making twenty-two, as you do every day on here.
One of us is wrong, we'll find out one day.
If God is real, he will forgive me and I'll see you there, if not, neither of us are going to know, but I will have lived a more relaxed and carefree life - I have nothing to prove and no-one to convince.
I honestly couldn't care less if you devote your life to taking 2 and 2 and making twenty-two, as you do every day on here.
One of us is wrong, we'll find out one day.
If God is real, he will forgive me and I'll see you there, if not, neither of us are going to know, but I will have lived a more relaxed and carefree life - I have nothing to prove and no-one to convince.
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