Evangelical Universalism?

[Theland]

All will be saved?
What do you think?

[nailit]

//...and do you feel sorry for those poor people who happen to have been born in the wrong part of the planet and have never been taught about Jesus?//

It would never enter their head to be so logical....

[Theland]

Nai!it :-
Yeah I know.
Sling yer mud mate I can take it :-)

[Theland]

I am very logical.

[Atheist]

Theland, any response to my points, or are you simply going to ignore them and reiterate your usual stuff?

[naomi24]

Saved from what?

[nailit]

//Nai!it :-
Yeah I know.
Sling yer mud mate I can take it//

//I would be a liar if I said it didn't bother me that Nailit appears to be suffering.
I want to help him.//

Course you do....

[Theland]

I do.

[Atheist]

Spungle 19:59
"Some people believe that anyone believing in God, (Jesus, Allah, Buddha etc) will be saved. This is completely against what the Bible teaches, which is that Christ is the only way: "Salvation Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." "

If there are people who have never heard of Christ, what do you think that his dad will do to them when they die? Will he punish them for all eternity?

[nailit]

//Saved from what?//

Saved from the hell that what was created for us,
since the beginning of time by an omniscient god
who knew everything anyway and saved us all by sacrificing himself
to himself to save us all from a hell that he made himself, in order that he could predestin us to worship him for saving us from a torture chamber that he made himself.

Or something like that!!

[Jackdaw33]

According to catholic doctrine those who die in ignorance of Jesus are not punished but go to Limbo. I am not sure what happens after that.

[Atheist]

Jackdaw, I think Limbo has been abolished now.

[nailit]

It actually unnerves me how believers can casually shrug off the eternal torment of unbelievers....

[Atheist]

I think Limbo was basically Hell without the Hellfire; it sounded a bit unfair even to very very religious people that stillborn babies and even foetuses should be tortured forever for ignoring the word of the Lord.

[Mamyalynne]

//In the 13th century, theologians came up with the concept of limbo as a place where dead babies were denied the vision of God but did not suffer.//

That concept was quite rightly ended in 2007.

[naomi24]

If it will save me before I die from these miserable doom-mongering preachers I might consider it.

[Theland]

Nailit @ 20:29
How unnerving?
You don't believe ..... do you?

[Theland]

Good ole popeface got with the programme?

[Theland]

Miserable? Not me :-)

[Spungle]

Hello Atheist just on your question regarding what will happen to persons who have not heard of Jesus in this life etc. My personal belief that God will be infinitely fair and each will be judged according to the light he or she had during their life. So the sun-worshippers who lived before Christ, yes, likely they would be included. People who reject Christian appeals now, unlikely to be saved. People who are too young to form their own judgements, likely all to be saved. People from remote tribes who acknowledge a Higher Power, likely to be saved. Those of us who have read and had knowledge of the gospel are infinitely more responsible before God for the 'light' we have. Can persons turn to Christ in their last moments, having led a sinful life, and be saved. Yes, absolutely, there are examples of this in the Bible and it is still happening today.

[naomi24]

Sick.