Hell...

[nailit]

Justify it?

[naomi24]

//I am right. God demands a blood penalty for sin. //

Sick.

[naomi24]

Actually, that's not just sick .. it's utterly senseless. Bad enough that you say God demands blood but why would he be appeased by the slaughter of an innocent animal? What satisfaction can he possibly gain from that ... unless he's simply sadistic?

[Khandro]

Hopkirk. //Surely no one actually believes the Garden of Eden fantasy?//

If you don't understand how the third chapter of Genesis relates to YOU and TODAY, you haven't paid attention.

Or perhaps you haven't read it, or maybe don't even have a bible in your house - is that a fact?

[naomi24]

Perhaps you should tell him, khandro.

[Theland]

The life is in the blood. God demands a life for sin.

[Zacs-Master]

And you accept that as 'Just' do you, Theland?

[Theland]

God is the author of justice. Who are we to dispute it?

[Zacs-Master]

Humans who (according to you lot) gave us free will. Another classic 'dodge' from you.

[naomi24]

//God demands a life for sin//

Why?

[nailit]

//The life is in the blood. God demands a life for sin//

That is not actually found in the Old Testament. Its a New Testament idea.
The Old Testament is awash with bloodshed but the idea that sin cannot be forgiven without blood is a New Testament doctrine that has no basis in Judaism.
God forgave many people their sins without bloodshed.
(Book of Jonah and the Ninevites for example)
Or king David etc

Bloodshed and the Old Testament go hand in hand, but shedding blood to be forgiven is simply not there.

(Ill hazard a guess at what will be posted next...)

[Theland]

Naomi, God says the penalty for sin is death.
The life is in the blood, hence the blood sacrifice, which covers sin, but does not forgive it.
Only the blood of Jesus Christ can do this.

Nailit the old testament is full of examples of blood sacrifice for sin.

[naomi24]

Then you should be ashamed of yourself for condoning it, theland. Just where are your morals?

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Ever since animals were slaughtered to provide covering skins for Adam and Eve, it is by example that blood must be shed to provide a covering for sin. //

You will appreciate that as an atheist, I am happy to accept that you know the bible better than I do - can you point to the Chapter and verse where it says that please?

How do you know that Adam and Eve didn't just find a dead cow somewhere and skin that?

Where is your evidence that they killed something for its skin?

[naomi24]

Theland is inventing a reason for blood sacrifice. He has to try to justify his disgraceful philosophy somehow and that’s the best he can come up with. In short he’s trying to defend the indefensible.

[Theland]

Andy, Adam and Eve, having eaten the forbidden fruit, realised their nakedness, so they wove fig leaves together to cover their modesty. Genesis 3:7
So they were covered.
Yet in Genesis 3:21, God clothed them in animal skins.
So what does this suggest?
It suggests that the fig leaves were inadequate to cover their sin, although they covered their nakedness.
Therefore it was God Himself who slaughtered the animal to make garments that covered both their nakedness and their sin.
There is no other way of weaving a new meaning into this.

[naomi24]

Maybe it was chilly. There you go. New meaning.

[Zacs-Master]

Could he not have used skin from an animal recently dead of natural causes?

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - // Could he not have used skin from an animal recently dead of natural causes? //

That's exactly the point I made - and as usual Theland has swerved it.

Theland has read something in a book written by men, and decided that his God killed something, and then he (Theland that is!!!) has made up a reason why, and now he can't defend it, so as usual he simply ignores awkward questions.

[naomi24]

AH, theland came up with the Adam and Eve fur outfits story in an attempt to justify God’s apparent need to kill in order to save. He knows it makes no sense.

[Zacs-Master]

There you go, Theland, Youve been caught 'dodging' by three members of AB. How do you plead?