No Christianity, No Islam. Would The World Be Better If They Never Existed? in The AnswerBank: Religion & Spirituality

^That's the most ridiculous non-law ever!

Ellipsis; I'm not sure how I can politely & in the spirit of Christianity tell you what to do with your Godwin's Law (& stupid Wikipedia entries).

The OP embraces a specious argument anyway. Without Christianity you would not have your Western Civilization - & you won't have it much longer if you don't take your finger out. 😄

andy-hughes

Khandro - You like to think Christianity gets a swerve because it doesn't act 'in the name of Christianity' directly when it rains down death and destruction on other nations and religions.

But Mr Bush, and Mr Blair, and Mr Biden, and Mr Sunak, don't allow their much trumpeted belief in your God stop them giving the go-ahead to more of the same.

So don't imagine you can take the moral high ground here, you can't.

naomi24

//Khandro - You like to think Christianity gets a swerve because it doesn't act 'in the name of Christianity' directly //

The politicians you mention don't act in the name of Christianity - directly or otherwise - and Mr Sunak doesn't follow Khandro's God at all.

Ellipsis

> The last time any aggresive act was undertaken purely in the name of Christianity was the 13th century crusades

The reason I went straight to Hitler was to miss out all of the many aggressive acts between the 13th and 20th Century and just get to the most recent World War to date, which was waged in Europe by Hitler, killing millions of Jews ... and he wasn't a Muslim, and nor were his followers. If anything was "stupid" it was the statement that you posted above, Khandro, and it deserved the Godwin treatment for its ridiculousness.

naomi24

Ellipsis, Hitler didn't do what he did to further the cause of Christianity. I think you are deliberately muddying the waters.

Ellipsis

> Hitler didn't do what he did to further the cause of Christianity

He and his followers were mainly Christians, and they were exterminating Jews in their millions. Whether that was in the name of Christianity is a moot point, given what was actually happening. As I've been saying all along, the problem isn't the religion, it's the people ...

andy-hughes

Naomi - A fair point re. Mr Sunak, careless of Mr.

But my point was, even though the leaders were not acting overtly in the Name of Christianity, they didn't let their professed 'belief' stay their hands when giving the go-ahead for the deaths of innocent people.

Ellipsis

The King is the head of state in the UK is also the head of the Anglican Church and the head of the Armed Forces, and there are bishops in the House of Lords simply because they are Christian ... that means that this is a Christian country, and therefore when we wage a war - like we're doing right now - it's a Christian war.

andy-hughes

That's 'careless of me ...'

naomi24

Andy Hughes, //But my point was, even though the leaders were not acting overtly in the Name of Christianity, they didn't let their professed 'belief' stay their hands when giving the go-ahead for the deaths of innocent people. //

Which surely tells you that their Christian beliefs do not influence their decisions. This country does not go to war in the name of religion. Your own words confirm that.

Ellipsis, our king is the Head of the Church of England, but our politicians and the leaders of industry come from all walks of life. Our fighting men and women are not all Christian and we don't fight our battles in the name of any religion. In attempting to align Islamic warmongers with other groups you are attempting to achieve the impossible because it doesn't work and it will never work. No other group on this planet behaves in the way that fundamentalist Islam behaves. They just don't. You can see that, I can see that, we can all see that. Some just don't want to acknowledge it.

Khandro

Ellipsis; /Hitler, killing millions of Jews ... and he wasn't a Muslim,/

Hitler wasn't a Muslim but it a well tedtified fact that he was a great admirer of Islam there are scores of references, here is just one;

https://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/hitler-muslim-brotherhood.html

He gave the odious Muslim Brotherhood an office block in Munich, which I believe they still own today.

Khandro

naomi 12:23. Well said !

andy-hughes

naomi - //

Andy Hughes, //But my point was, even though the leaders were not acting overtly in the Name of Christianity, they didn't let their professed 'belief' stay their hands when giving the go-ahead for the deaths of innocent people. //

Which surely tells you that their Christian beliefs do not influence their decisions. //

It does, which is precisely my point.

Their 'beliefs' are entirely selective, as is the case with most professed Christians - especially people like Paula Vennells as a prime example.

Go to church on Sunday and prey on your knees - the other six days, do as you wish.

Anything from prosecuting innocent people, to sending soldiers to their deaths.

The notion of 'Christianity' never seems to get in the way does it.

andy-hughes

Khandro - // naomi 12:23. Well said ! //

Maybe not - check out my response to naomi's point.

Canary42

Godwin's law was invented to label and then demonise a perfectly fair comparison.

naomi24

Andy Hughes, our politicians' religious leanings are entirely irrelevant to this particular discussion. This country does not go to war under a religious banner - but you know that and you agree with that. Therefore the 'point' you're making is ... pointless. The post office scandal is another discussion entirely.