Theland, you're right. the holier than though brigade does get people's backs up. As a child and a teenager, going twice to church religiously (sorry) every Sunday, and to church youth clubs several times a week, I can never remember this appalling dogma that you Born Agains seem to be obsessed with of the constant threat of hell and damnation. I don't even remember the Born Again variety existing then. My church taught that god was a god of love, of the importance of caring for your fellow man, and on death, of acceptance into heaven - and because of that I did my best - and that's stayed with me all my life. There was no threat of condemnation to hell in retribution for our sins - sins didn't come into the equation, at least not where children were concerned - and this aspect of your church I feel is incredibly damaging. and really screws with people's minds. As a child I loved going to church, but I'm sure if I'd gone to yours with the doctrine it preaches, I'd have been terrified. I know you'll say that this is what the bible teaches, but having since studied the bible in depth, I'll say it's a compete nonsense, it's illogicial and it's incredibly cruel. Your god is not my god.