Scole Farmhouse, Diss

[MsEVP]

Has anyone reading this experienced the phenomena in the cellar of the Scole Farmhouse?

[MsEVP]

Hi Naomi, Bit of a hurry but just to let you know that scientists and other researchers (as well as hundreds of other interested people), started investigating the Scole physical phenomena in 1995. What they witnessed (not all at once, of course) were nearly 200 different types of phenomena, including apports, ringing of bells, myriad spirit lights that were intelligently manoeuvred, raps and taps of varying intensity, touches by solid energy (disembodied hands), the physical appearance of teleported spirit people, voices coming from all parts of the room (some of which gave evidential information to new sitters) levitation of a plethora of objects such as a heavy tables, changes in temperature. Of course I wasn`t frightened, only `spirits` with love want to communicate with this world. Ask your spiritualist friend if she was aware of the Noah`s Ark Society. It was a forerunner of the Scole `Hole`. And there were open-minded scientists who sat in the cellars many many times and had proof given beyond a shadow of a doubt that a spirit world does exist. Three of them in particular wrote a report after 3 years of sitting giving their stamp of approval to the Scole demonstrations. However, the SPR did their usual thing and squashed it . But it is out there if you want to look for it.
And you must be aware, Naomi, that giving `proof` to someone is practically an impossibility unless it actually happens to them. Who will believe without personal proof? Gotta go now, Tina

[MsEVP]

Well, Wiz, that`s that then, innit?

[naomi24]

Great explanation. Thanks Tina. Why did the SPR squash it? And why do you say that�s what they usually do? I thought they were serious researchers. It�s true that giving proof to others is impossible, but I would have thought the SPR would have been enormously interested in what you have described, especially since the experiments took place over such a protracted period of time, and the outcome was so very extraordinary.

Incidentally, I disagree with you when you say that only spirits with love want to communicate with us. I believe that the soul survives death, but I also believe that the theories humans hold on the subject are completely and utterly erroneous, since people almost always reconcile the phenomenon with religion - or (my apologies) - with hocus-pocus, in some way. We are talking of existence on a different level - that�s all - and I don�t believe that the �spirits� necessarily �want� to communicate with us, so much as the two levels collide occasionally. In my opinion, love, hate, or religion, have nothing whatsoever to do with it. It�s attributable solely to nature - and it�s something that we just don�t understand - yet!

[naomi24]

Wiz, this is a difficult one. You, yourself, are currently experiencing things you can't explain. I have experienced things that I can't explain - and, believe me, I�ve tried - and whilst I'll agree with you that there is often much trickery involved with 'experiments' of this nature, Tina clearly experienced something that she can't explain, so who are we to say it isn't so? Since we have no reason to disbelieve her, and since we haven�t experienced anything remotely like this ourselves, and hence can offer no practical explanation, other than to say it is trickery (which she clearly disputes), in reality we can only say we don�t know what happened at Scole. No one is knowledgeable enough on the subject to say otherwise.

[MsEVP]

Naomi and Wiz: You should read THE SCOLE EXPERIMENT, 5 years later by Monty Keen and David Fontana. Also, by Victor Zammit, A LAWYER PRESENTS THE CASE FOR THE AFTERLIFE. What I meant to say about the SPR is this: they can ask you to give them, say, 10 pieces of evidence and then they will believe. You do so, and they`ll ask for another! They bend over backwards never to be satisfied. After this report, they gave so many theoretical criticisms, by people who had NOT attended. The Scole supporters challenged any professional magician or parapsychologist to attempt replication of the phenomena by normal means and under the precise conditions. There were no takers. However, 3 professional magicians gave a written report on Scole. One who attended was James Webster, Silver Medal holder of the Inner Magic Circle. The other two who did NOT attend but read the Report were Richard Wiseman, well-informed critic of psychical research. He noted it was VERY IMPRESSIVE. The third was Prof. Arthur Hastings, psychologist with long-standing interest in psychical research. His verdict was the phenomena were not produced by sleight of hand or trickery. Everyone entering the cellar had to remove jewelry, cameras, watches and were allowed to examine thoroughly the cellar. Apart from the chairs and one big table there was one small tape recorder which played quiet music. (It got paranormally turned over when a spirit voice wanted something more lively!) The balls of light which did beautiful aerial dances in time to the music were seen to go through the table and chairs in front of people. Apart from Robin Foy and his wife there were 2 mediums who used to sit with them.They all had luminous material around their wrists and were kept in view at all times, except for when the atmosphere got considerable heavier and blacker. Disembodied hands appeared, touching people and this was when I saw the cellar was slowly `moving` with many figures who we were told were were spirits.

[naomi24]

Flipping heck, Tina! It certainly sounds incredible. I'd have been terrified!

Are you a member of a Spiritualist Church, or group - or do you just have an interest in the subject?

[MsEVP]

Hi Naomi (is that NAY or NY) I never know.
that last response was truncated as I used far more than my 2000! Anyway, I`m not a member of a spiritual church because you have to look hard to find a `real` one, but all this started off many years ago when I had a vivid psychic dream and I ended up researching the taped spirit voices (EVP). There ARE offshoots from the Scole group all over the country and I know of one near to me who, following the guidelines, are achieving phenomena such as lights and sounds. It`s a slow process and you have to be dedicated. These groups usually keep mum about what they are doing. I don`t understand why you say you`d be frightened? There`s a lot of love shown in these sittings and any`bad` spirits, if there are any (I know people don`t change when they die, it takes time for them to evolve) wouldn`t stand a chance of getting in, even if they wanted to. And it`s not known in paranormal history for spirits or even poltergeists to injure anyone (altho the odd poltergeist has been known to throw a stone on the originator of the phenomenon) Off to Tesco now to do the weekly shop. I look forward to that! Bye

[naomi24]

It's NAYomi, Tina, although according to Theland, it's DAYobi - but he does come from Liverpool!

Amongst other things (like having lived in a house with 'visitors'), and talking of poltergeists, I've seen a child's glass marble whizz through the air - no children around - just three adults sitting in a living room talking about someone who had recently died - and suddenly - whoosh - there it went right across the room at a height of about 5ft - just as though it had been thrown very forcefully. I know I wouldn't be able to sit through what you've experienced. I would be frightened - of the unknown, I suppose. My spiritualist friend doesn't understand that either. I think it's because I view the whole thing differently to you and her. You are both in the 'spiritualist' mindset - something I never could get to grips with - and to be perfectly honest, never wanted to get to grips with, because, in my heart, I don't think we should dabble or interfere. Additionally, this love thing doesn't work for me. People are people, and there are good and bad., and I doubt their personalities change after death. Apart from that, ghosts must know they frighten people at times - and yet they still do it! :o)

Would you say you're psychic, Tina? Are you a medium?

[MsEVP]

Hi Naomi: You say you`re possibly frightened of the unknown. Well, I don`t think you would be if you investigated the unknown, and it became known. It`s a gradual process. Maybe when I was the age you are now (and I`m assuming that I`m much older) I might not be as fearless as I am now. Quite right what you said about being in the spiritualist mindset. It`s because I`ve been made aware that the spirit world (s) exist that I`m not afraid of dying, in fact the opposite. I`ve heard on tape the voices, as they spoke in life, of two of my husbands. In fact, I`ve got a tape of (are you ready for this?) Beethoven playing some of his own music, in the middle of a storm, quite spooky. His voice was captured by someone called Sarah Estep (look her up). I wouldn`t call it interfering if THEY contact us first. It`s something they want or need to do to let US know that they still exist, on another plane. Also, many ghosts are just like automatons, just repeating something they did before they died, and they are unaware that they are being seen or heard. Very few `ghosts` interact with people. Psychic or medium, I don`t think so, no more than others except that if there were things I couldn`t explain I`ve not been content to leave it at that. I`ve delved into it. Anyone can capture spirit voices on tape if they want to. Strange thing is, not many people want to! Ah well. I wonder if Wiz is thinking any differently now if he reads about the Scole magicians? Bye

[naomi24]

Tina, I've also been made aware many times, and in no uncertain terms, that spirits exist. Despite my preference for logical and rational thinking (and I've searched and failed to find reasons for my experiences), experience has taught me that souls survive death, and I have no option but to believe that. However, I think very differently to you, which is why I could never investigate it in the way that you do. You see, I don't believe there is a 'spirit world' exactly - I don't believe there's a specific 'place', or that there are special 'methods' that one has to utilise in order to contact spirits. That to me, smacks of religion, and I don't believe in that in any shape or form. Neither do I believe in what is commonly known as God - and therefore I discount the notion of a 'place' completely. I see the 'afterlife' (for want of a better term) simply as a state of being within the natural world. Rather than being 'supernatural', it's totally natural - albeit, to our way of thinking, rather Super!

I'm not afraid of dying either - but although I'm not as young as you seem to think I am (thanks for the compliment!), I don't particularly want to go just yet!

[mariner2]

Very interesting discussion ladies - I think I'm quite unusual in that I have never experienced anything the slightest bit weird (despite being a member of a paranormal investigation group) but do not trash everybody that has just because of that, as seems to be the normal practice.
I just weigh the evidence from experiences such as yours and wonder why on earth anyone would make it up?
I've always been interested in the paranormal and have got to the stage where I want to experienced something just to prove it to myself 100%, but despite this I've noticed that I seem to maintain a healthier level of scepticism than certain members of my group who think that every little speck on their photos are "orbs" or whatever.

[mariner2]

To go back to your very first question - there are some contact details here - http://www.thescoleexperiment.com/cntcts_00.ht m

[MsEVP]

Mariner2:

Thanks for the Scole link. It`s not exactly what I was after but I appreciate your input.

Have you tried getting EVP voices in your research? It seems to me that it`s the easiest of all psychic phenomena for an individual to get, if they try, and the most convincing when they do.

Cheers, Tina