sinners ,rejoice

[claymore]

Why is it more fun to be a sinner than to stay on the straight and narrow?

[naomi24]

Oo-er! Curiouser and curiouser. You've lost me.

[woofgang]

Its my john Wayne impression.

[woofgang]

"Woofgang, several years ago we had a big discussion in R&S about who God is, and concluded that it's generally assumed he is the God of the Bible and the Koran. It follows therefore that since the only information we have about that God is contained within those books, we have no alternative but to limit our knowledge of him to that. For example, was he omnipotent? No, he wasn't. Was he vengeful, jealous, and hateful? Yes he was - there's no doubt about that - so however loving and forgiving and compassionate you imagine him, quite simply he was none of those things, and the denial of the faithful doesn't change that. The 'facts' are there in black and white for all to see. However, that said, if your contemplations and perhaps your spiritual experiences lead you to believe that the God you choose to believe in is indeed a loving entity then perhaps you should broaden your mind and look at a much bigger picture because it seems to me that you, like many others, are confusing two very different beings and two very different philosophies. "

Rolling on the floor laughing at this one.. you concluded it on Answerbank so that makes it fact and I am the one who needs to broaden my mind?????????

[naomi24]

Woofgang, you misunderstand. Because, as it does now, a certain amount of confusion arose concerning the identity of the Almighty Creator, for the purposes of AB, we attempted to clarify to whom the vast majority were referring when they spoke of God and concluded it was he of the bible/koran. It's a pity my post made you laugh, but I understand it because you clearly haven't grasped a word I've said.

[woofgang]

naomi i understand completely. A small group of people got together a few years ago and made a decision which you expect to be binding on the rest (majority) of us.
That would be funny if it wasn't arrogant and staggeringly arrogant if it wasn't so completely silly.

[RATTER15]

Thats you told Naomi!!!!!!!!

[woofgang]

;-)
RATTER even you only talk about what you know and believe and your experience and don't attempt to claim that yours is the only knowledge, belief, experience that is valid :-)

[naomi24]

Woofgang, from your penchant for taking umbrage it's abundantly clear that you are really not grasping what's being said here.

Ratter, he seems to think so, but what he's telling me is anyone's guess. :o)

[woofgang]

Naomi I understand you very well, never think that I don't.

[naomi24]

I think not. You fail to understand the fundamental issues here so you have no hope whatsoever of ever understanding me. However, that aside, before you demonstrate further that your non-existent argument is restricted to a succession of personal slights, it isn't my fault your God fails miserably to meet the claims his followers make for him. All I've done is illustrate that and suggest that if an Almighty Creator does indeed exist, it is unlikely to be Yahweh. I can't change the Bible to make him into something he wasn't, and unlike his followers, I won't pretend he was anything other than the malevolent creature that book portrays. If the truth offends you there's nothing I can do about that and I make no apology. Shooting the messenger doesn't legitimise your own personal version of Yahweh, but I can understand why it might make you feel better so do please carry on if you want to. Be my guest. ;o)

[RATTER15]

Naomi, I think you may find "He" is a She. I made that mistake :-(

[sandyRoe]

Whata mistaka to maka

[woofgang]

Now naomi, there you and I agree. The god I know is deffo not the god of the old testament....which I have said on this thread and on others...it was your assumption that he/she is...and again i quote
"Woofgang, several years ago we had a big discussion in R&S about who God is, and concluded that it's generally assumed he is the God of the Bible and the Koran. It follows therefore that since the only information we have about that God is contained within those books, we have no alternative but to limit our knowledge of him to that."
The alternative that I have is to try to find and know god for myself without the intermediary of an organised religion. I have no intention of shooting the messenger even if the message is of the chinese whispers variety...I would lose a lot of fun.
Lol SandyRoe, yes i am female...not sure about god.
I don't believe that anything that i have posted has slighted you personally. If you disagree then please quote the offending passage. For myself i feel that, from what you have said, maybe you are not confident that you express yourself clearly and are concerned that people cannot understand you. Please be reassured on that point, as I said i do understand you very well...a little more practice and you will be expressing yourself clearly with the best of us. :-)

[mibn2cweus]

Where did the need to establish an unspecified gender creep into this intercourse? Have I missed out on something . . . possibly something of a supposedly 'sin'ful nature?

When ever (who/what-ever) 'God' is alleged to be enters into a discussion it's inevitable that confusion reigns. That's the nature of the non-existent beast. The only room for agreement where some kind or other of god is concerned is a mutual agreement (typically unqualified) to gloss over the details thereby assuring that the fact that there is no emperor beneath those clothes slips through the smoke screen of self-deception and mutual delusion unfettered.

The less said regarding the nature of a non-existent being the easier it becomes to ride in on a Trojan horse, albeit one devoid of occupant.

[woofgang]

sir please sir that wasn't me sir, RATTER dunnit sir (or perhaps "ma'am??)

[naomi24]

Ratter, her gender is irrelevant.

Woofgang, no, it was not my assumption. I read what you said.

//Please don't limit god by talking about the bible as though that was the only way to know him/her (or the koran, book of morman or any other book written by people)//

You now claim that your God is not the biblical God, and yet in that one sentence you clearly stated that it is possible to know God through the bible. Additionally, since the point I am making is that Yahweh is not the Almighty, and you now claim to agree with that, I fail to understand why you are arguing at all. Good try Woofgang - but not good enough. You're contradicting yourself and failing miserably to extricate yourself from your own tangled ramblings. Still, I see your rudeness hasn't abated so at least you're consistent with something.

[woofgang]

Where did I say it was possible to know the god that I know through the bible?

[mibn2cweus]

'Sin', don't you find it somewhat ironic that so many of those who believe in it are no less reluctant to indulge in it?

[woofgang]

and as for abuse....

"You're contradicting yourself and failing miserably to extricate yourself from your own tangled ramblings. Still, I see your rudeness hasn't abated so at least you're consistent with something"

all I did was sympathise with naomi's clear concerns that she isn't making herself understood and offer her some encouragement.

[mibn2cweus]

. . . Opps, din't mean to change the subject :o|