Monaco Grand prix...

[R1Geezer]

How jammy was Vettel eh? red flag when his tyres where dead! Can anyone explain the reasoning why the teams can work on the cars when they are parked awaiting restart? Including changing tyres which basically gave the race to Vettel. Alonso would probalbly have won had there not been a crash both he and Hamilton would almost certainly have passed Vettel as his tyres where dropping off a cliff.

[snags]

http://www.autosport....s/report.php/id/91893

[R1Geezer]

for Hamilton read Button above of course!

[jackthehat]

I'm not sure how much 'sport' is involved when the result can come down to 'Whose tyres are least worst ?"......

[R1Geezer]

the go and watch tiddly winks, you clearly do not understand motor racing.

[BertiWooster]

I agree Geezer - it always seems to work out for Red Bull even when they c@ck this up - like putting the wrong tyres on Vettel's car .

I hope we are not going to see a future domination of the races by Red Bull , akin to the Ferrari / Shumacher era

Do you think that Hamilton has a point ? - I know it's not a contact sport , but if drivers are going to attempt a pass , especially at Monaco - it follows that there may be contact .
In my opinion it was just a racing incident , between two drivers - i dont see how Hamilton was more to blame than Massa

[R1Geezer]

I defer to the driver on the investigation panel, essentially they are saying that Hamilton could have avoided contact by not passing on the hairpin where he knows the steering lock would make a colision likely.

[ChuckFickens]

Hamilton was obviously frustrated and made several badly judged moves. I hope he doesn't go the way of certain other drivers in the past with the attitude of "I'm coming through or taking you off the road trying"

[jackthehat]

Monaco has always offered few opportunities for over-taking however, the processional races of the past few years are a poor reflection of they hey-day of the Grands Prix. It's a shame that some of the more competitive drivers are penalised for trying to make the race interesting, for them and the spectators.

Geezer - It's called 'Motor-Racing' not 'condition-of-the-tyres'.......and please watch your tone.

[R1Geezer]

The tyres are an important factor in the strategy. More so this year with Pirelli replacing Bridgestone with clear direction given to the teams on wear and tear.
It's not just about the driving. If all the tyres never wore out and all had the same stickiness then I'd agree but they don't, there is also the factor of how the different drivers are able to get more out of them. I'll watch my tone when you stop talking cobblers ok?

[TonyV]

Vettel was not Jammy -His team just were doing what the currentrules allow. Hamilton, however, playing " It's because I'm black" card was disgusting

[snags]

Although it pains me to say it, I agree with R1 on this particular point ;-)

And re Hamilton... he deserves what he got. Trying to pass on that particular hairpin, being fully aware of the limitations of the car (steering lock limits) was just stupid... although his subsequent overtake of Massa in the tunnel was impressive...

[jackthehat]

R1 - Pointing out that tinkering around the edges of the Grands Prix to the extent that the condition of the tyres is a 'critical' issue now of race strategy...is NOT talking cobblers.

Perhaps if you took your head out of your fundamental orifice for long enough to understand what people were actually saying, before shooting your mouth off, you wouldn't spend so much of your time in the AnswerBank sin-bin ?

[BertiWooster]

Yes, the overtake in the tunnel was impressive - i agree with that bit .

I dont recall it happening before , - perhaps someone can think of a previous instance ?

[DTCwordfan]

Didn't Massa do it last year and with the same impact of making the overtaken car Sutil (in the Forc India)? slide into the left barrier at the exit as he hit the 'crud.'

And then there was that Schumacker incident on the exit squeezing Barrichello into the wall - well almost.

[snags]

''And then there was that Schumacker incident on the exit squeezing Barrichello into the wall - well almost''

That was Hungary not Monaco...

[DTCwordfan]

thanks Snags....

[Canary42]

Not jammy at all - all big money "sports" these days are FIXED. The sooner fans realise this and vote with their feet the better. (note also "surprise" result in First Test Match - another example)

[BertiWooster]

So , the accident was fixed - was it ?

[R1Geezer]

well this is what you said JTH:
"I'm not sure how much 'sport' is involved when the result can come down to 'Whose tyres are least worst ?"...... "

how did I mis interpret this pearl of wisdom?

Red Bull left Vettel out, he'd done 65 laps of tyres where they had been told they where only good for 45, they where about to go, that would have effected the result. The "sport" here is that Red Bull messed up the strategy and were saved by events.

[jackthehat]

It's not so much a sport when the man in the car is at the mercy of a chap in a short-sleeved shirt making in/correct decisions about the performance of the tyres......

It used to be significantly more about the chap holding the steering-wheel in his hand.

I hope that is simple enough for even you to understand, now, geezer ?