Windows 11

[barry1010]

W11 is coming and none of my machines are compatible so no free upgrades for me.
Still, Microsoft guarantee to support W10 until October 2025 - I think they'll extend that so it's not all bad news. Both my PCs are at least seven years old so hopefully they'll keep going until W10 is dead.
Have you tested your machines for compatibility? https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-11-upgrades-will-be-free-confirmed-system-requirement-checker

[KARL]

What I have been unable to establish is what those who run internet sites gain by making them inaccessible to older versions of browsers which work absolutely fine up to the point of site updates. Is it perhaps simply the case that they have no say and perhaps no understanding of what is going on ? Are the big operating system firms (Microsoft, Apple, etc.) simply offering only newer versions that deliberately lock out older versions and thus force the consumer to update, at a price ? Some people need the features found in new operating software but huge numbers of people have absolutely no need for them. The practice is perhaps akin to introducing a new fuel every few years, one which then works with new cars but not older ones and then the fuel stations increasingly provide only the new fuel.

[barry1010]

This is the OS, not internet browser. Components improve and get more powerful year by year, demands made on pcs by software increase in line.
I'm disappointed inasmuch as Microsoft said W10 would be the last version of Windows, with regular updates. Obviously the point would be reached when older machines wouldn't be able to run the latest updates - just as it will be with W11.

[aelmpvw]

my win 10 computers are about three years old and apparently are not compatible for a win 11 update, thanks for nothing microsoft

[Espresso125]

if that's so with mine ill go onto a linux OS...
ill put up with the getting use to it for weeks . goodbye Microsoft

[barry1010]

I have dual booted one of my machines - it runs W10 and Ubuntu. I still prefer Windows but it is fun playing around with Linux distros.

[Togo]

Don't trust that system check Barry, it is blocks. Did it tell you why your system was not "ready". Thought not. Hold your horses if you are reading this and being told that your desktop, for instance will not support the latest developments. Despite my desktop being well over spec to run 11 the computer says noooo. Wait till I change the TPM2 setting in the bios. If you are interested scroll down to the forum and read some of the posts. Don't panic Mr Mainwaring. :))

https://wccftech.com/windows-11-system-requirements-releasing-for-public-this-fall-with-a-free-upgrade-offer/

[barry1010]

Time will tell.

Another cliché tomorrow :D

[barry1010]

I have just received an email from Microsoft telling me I have been removed from the Windows Insider Program as my PC is not up to spec for W11 :(

[Togo]

Quick heads up Barry. The main reason that we are getting not compatible signals is that w11 is going to need the boot having the Trusted Platform Module fitted and enabled. You need a later version and that is tpm.2. When that is plugged into the motherboard ads either a replacement for the old one or as a new card you should be good to go if your pc was previously ok to participate in the insider programme. Problem is they are selling out fast all over the World, and the hoarders are hanging onto them to crank the prices up. I found a supplier and have ordered 2. I know that it will fit my motherboard cos I have looked. This is the site I found after many said that they were "out of stock". You may have to move fast buddy.

https://www.scan.co.uk/

[barry1010]

Thanks, Togo. Not sure if my motherboard will be compatible. The compatibility check did tell me that my machines aren't compatible because they don't have 'secure boot'. Does this solve the problem? Easy to fit?

[barry1010]

Can these modules fit in laptops?

[barry1010]

Aha - my pc has trusted module platform 1.2 but it is not enabled.
I take it 1.2 is not good enough

[Togo]

That is exactly what it is Barry. They now require all machines to be furnished with the tpm.2(Trusted Platform Module) which is part and parcel of the Secure Boot . Historically our home machines did not need Disc Encryption and high security levels but the business versions of an os did. Obviously we are all now doing stuff online that contains much more sensitive information, both personal and financial, and the scammers and crooks love it. The Mac systems have used the encryption support platform for some while now and whilst not bomb proof it is better than nothing. I think that the ptm1.2 card will run 11 if you have that in the machine when the time comes, but I will not chance it. For the peanuts they cost it is worth investing in. They were only about £14 each delivered securely.

[barry1010]

Can they be fitted in laptops? Do I need to buy a certain one for my motherboard?

[Togo]

Most laptops that were released after 2016 are kitted out with the tpm.2 feature(not the basic very cheap ones) but I think it is difficult to retro fit a laptop that is older because it is in a chip mounted on the main board in a lappie. My surface pro is ready to go but our old, but gold, HP G6 Pavilion is fast approaching an honourable retirement. No worries Christmas pressie sorted for "she who must be obeyed".

[Togo]

That asus module from the site I gave will fit most motherboards( not all) and the pin configuration should be the same as the module that you already have. If you open up the site and put "trusted platform module 2" in the search box it gives you a picture of one. Look to see if it will fit you motherboard (which is what I did). It is all a bit grey at present with speculation flying and theorists having a field day(we are even going to be interphased with w11 if we had the covid jabs ... haha bring it on. I could do with some help. Some have the opinion that tcm 1.2 will indeed operate and that Microsoft are just drawing a line because they can guarantee that the 2 module will work but depending on other conditions the 1.2 may not.

[Togo]

Hmm that is interesting too. Just been having a look at the HP tech site and it appears that some of their devises can be upgraded from tpm1.2 to tpm 2 with a download! There is a list of the devices that can use this. HP are calling it "HP TPM Configuration Utility" and the info was released this January. My laptop is not on it but here is the site for anyone looking in who has an HP device.

https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c05381064

[barry1010]

Togo, I'm just in the process of installing the download now.

[Togo]

Well done Barry I will check tomorrow when I run the upgrade checks to see whether it will take it despite not being on the list. I wonder if other manufacturers are offering the same service with lappies and notebooks. Well done HP. Must say we have been happy with ours and if we do replace it we will likely go for another.

[KARL]

I know the difference between operating systems and browsers but I was simply making a point that (I think) is similar and/or relates to your reasons for frustration.