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sorry haven't been back on to thank you all for your replies, a big thankyou now though! buenchico - yeah found that they only do thursdays, and none come up available, narolines, have to agree that the "budget" flights seem rather pricy, was trying to do an independant holiday, went abroad last year for the 1st time in 17years (sad eh, but 3 kids+limited budget=camping in britain!) booked independently, flights,apartment,transfers, to Portugal, went like a dream, was really pleased with myself, wanted to do the same this year for Turkey, but just had a look a package deals, and they come out only marginally dearer than the flights! guess we'll be joining the thomson holiday hordes!