U.k. Ability To Monitor Data Declared Illegal By European Court

[lindapalmara]

On the day that Germany's ability to protect their people from Terror is exposed as woeful, our laws have been overruled by the EU Parliament. What a travesty.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20161222/281492160970205

We have the best intelligence services in the world and they are being undermined by the EU , yet again. Another reason for leaving the EU. They couldn't have picked a worse day to do this. I hope we can keep appealing this until we actually leave this woeful Bloc. Or maybe we can just ignore it like other EU countries do when it suits them.

[Gromit]

// This beggars belief. //

It does. Which is why I don't fully belive it.

[-Talbot-]

Gromit
Obviously the two things you talk about are unconnected.

The fiasco in Germany was not because the security isn't there, it was because someone didn't do their job properly. The suspect was supposed to be being watched, but wasn't.



That's not true.

[fiction-factory]

Yes, the whole thing sounds odd Linda

[Gromit]

DannyK13

// His picture was shown in full on last night's news. //
... in the UK, but not in Germany. Because we have different rules.

[dannyk13]

As a matter of interest it has just been announced on the news that the German police have arrested four men in connection with the attack on the market.

[naomi24]

I haven't read all the posts but the German press is carrying his picture.

https://www.welt.de/

[-Talbot-]

Gromit
dannyk13
You are not in Germany. German privacy rules do not apply here.



Germany are currently passing legislation for more video surveillance in public places. They were at one time vehemently against this

[Gromit]

// That's not true. //

What isn't true? The German Security Agencies were not prevented from monitoring the suspect, in fact they had been doing so for a considerable time. They can inspect his internet browsing, if they surveiling him, so there is no comparison with the Snooper Charter.

[Gromit]

// As a matter of interest it has just been announced on the news that the German police have arrested four men in connection with the attack on the market. //

How did they manage to do that without inspecting the suspects 1 year internet browsing history?

[-Talbot-]

Gromit
// That's not true. //

What isn't true? The German Security Agencies were not prevented from monitoring the suspect, in fact they had been doing so for a considerable time.



Yes ... 'had been' they stopped watching him in September. (Frightening that he was no longer a priority)

You said ' The suspect was supposed to be being watched, but wasn't.'

[dannyk13]

Now you are being facetious.This discussion is not worth continuing with you

[dannyk13]

Last post for Gromit

[-Talbot-]

How did they manage to do that without inspecting the suspects 1 year internet browsing history?



Even if that is true ... so what?
what is your problem?

[Gromit]

Talbot,
You are telling me information that I was unaware of. I have now read this, and stand corrected...

// It emerged the 24-year-old was put under covert surveillance by German authorities for more than six months after they received a tip in March that he may have been planning a break-in to finance buying automatic weapons for an attack.

But agencies stopped watching him in September after nothing was found to substantiate the original warning. //

[-Talbot-]

I'm going to repeat what I posted just up there ^

There is only a finite amount of resource available ... it's a sobering thought that this man was no longer priority ... what sort of number are we looking at that posses a bigger threat than this scumbag?

[New Judge]

I haven't read all of this but as far as the original point goes (UK action declared illegal) once again the same principle applies. This should be a matter for the UK Parliament and not a foreign court.

[ToraToraTora]

well the EU court wont matter in a couple of years anyway!

[fiction-factory]

Although it may sometimes, be relevant, TTT, if EU countries won't cooperate with us in the way we would like on security issues in cases where they feel the monitoring is not legal in their eyes.

[New Judge]

Then that would be their loss. If they declined intelligence gathered, in their eyes, illegally then good luck to them. All I’m interested in is removing the UK from the jurisdiction of a foreign court. And before it's raised, it is not the same as using information secured under torture.

[Peter Pedant]

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some of it here
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2016/12/21/curia-rules-ip-act-illegal/1

does anyone have an URL for the CURIA judgement ?

NJ commenting without having read the judgement again I see