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The Benefits Of Mass Immigration Into Britain, Doctors, Nurses, Entrepreneurs, Etc. But Is There Really A Need For Others To Bring Their Sweat Shops To Britain?
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Talbot....it would be very easy to prove that these factories exist or not. The clothing firms that employ the sweatshops just need to inspect the places where their clothes are made on a regular basis. The authorities, and the Fire Service could also do their bit....its not rocket science !
Its the clothing firms that hold the answer here....they are causing the problem by putting their heads in the sand and raking in the profits.
In last nights program, a new entrepreneur was featured, who sells his stuff on the internet only. He has only been going for a short while, and yet his company was worth £millions, and this is how he makes his money.
Its the clothing firms that hold the answer here....they are causing the problem by putting their heads in the sand and raking in the profits.
In last nights program, a new entrepreneur was featured, who sells his stuff on the internet only. He has only been going for a short while, and yet his company was worth £millions, and this is how he makes his money.
Dougie....whether its these clothing factories or places like Sports Direct, its increasingly the media companies that are responsible for exposing the wrong doings.
I have no doubt that the Inspectors responsible will say that they don't have the staff or the time. The way that fire regulations was being ignored was especially worrying, when the owner was walking around the sweatshops, merrily smoking away.
The program is well worth watching, if you can cope with CH4's labyrinthine firewall !
I have no doubt that the Inspectors responsible will say that they don't have the staff or the time. The way that fire regulations was being ignored was especially worrying, when the owner was walking around the sweatshops, merrily smoking away.
The program is well worth watching, if you can cope with CH4's labyrinthine firewall !
Mickey, I would not take everything a program like Dispatches tells you at face value.
People working below minimum wage is a big problem. One thing we do need to do is drastically reduce our immigration. We need to be able to deport illegals and we need to close businesses using illegals using their assets to cover the costs of the deportations.
If we simply stop the sweat shops then we will end up with a load of people unable to feed themselves which will then lead to forced prostitution or crime. That would be totally unacceptable.
And for anyone here illegally stopping it will mean more pressure on the benefits system, so thought needs to be put into how we can be more competitive without people having to break the law.
People working below minimum wage is a big problem. One thing we do need to do is drastically reduce our immigration. We need to be able to deport illegals and we need to close businesses using illegals using their assets to cover the costs of the deportations.
If we simply stop the sweat shops then we will end up with a load of people unable to feed themselves which will then lead to forced prostitution or crime. That would be totally unacceptable.
And for anyone here illegally stopping it will mean more pressure on the benefits system, so thought needs to be put into how we can be more competitive without people having to break the law.
YMB....I have never attempted to defend illegal immigration. I am against illegal immigration and always have been.
But this program wasn't about immigration. It was about the way that people were being paid just £3 an hour. It also showed how at least one of the sweatshops was ignoring simple fire regulations.
You say that we should take programs like Dispatches at face value. The face value made it quite clear that illegal wages were being paid.
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its still a duck !
But this program wasn't about immigration. It was about the way that people were being paid just £3 an hour. It also showed how at least one of the sweatshops was ignoring simple fire regulations.
You say that we should take programs like Dispatches at face value. The face value made it quite clear that illegal wages were being paid.
If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its still a duck !
This whole thing is about immigration, the sweat shops are run and mainly worked in by immigrants.
Mass immigration was all about bringing the British standard of living down as was the minimum wage.
How many rises have our workers had in the last years, when I worked we had a rise each year, these days most employers think that if they are paying the minimum wage everything is 'hunky-dory'.
Mass immigration was all about bringing the British standard of living down as was the minimum wage.
How many rises have our workers had in the last years, when I worked we had a rise each year, these days most employers think that if they are paying the minimum wage everything is 'hunky-dory'.
These factories stared to spring up in Leicester in the mid-1970's when there was a large influx of immigrant labour from Uganda and existing hosiery manufacturers were starting to close as major retailers turned to cheaper overseas suppliers.
When factory premises became empty (including one very large site vacated when a major engineering company closed their Leicester operation) they were quickly converted into several smaller factory units.
The programme last night concentrated on companies selling to well-known brands but several exist supplying markets traders, car-boot sellers etc. where, in all probability, financial records are likely to be somewhat lacking with a consequent loss of government revenue .
It will take a massive multi-agency initiative to deal with the problem but it needs to be done, in spite of possible ramifications, or else exploitation and exposure to dangerous working practices will just continue.
When factory premises became empty (including one very large site vacated when a major engineering company closed their Leicester operation) they were quickly converted into several smaller factory units.
The programme last night concentrated on companies selling to well-known brands but several exist supplying markets traders, car-boot sellers etc. where, in all probability, financial records are likely to be somewhat lacking with a consequent loss of government revenue .
It will take a massive multi-agency initiative to deal with the problem but it needs to be done, in spite of possible ramifications, or else exploitation and exposure to dangerous working practices will just continue.
//( although there are still people around that would wish these workers to continue to be paid £3 an hour, rather then the companies that employ them to go out of business.....low, illegal wages are preferable to no wages according to some ! )//
I can't see where anyone has advocated letting wages of £3 an hour continue. (It was actually you that tried to accuse Zacs and Talbot of this.)
Possible repercussions of a clamp-down have been suggested and I took these into account before I posted my response to the OP as I still feel that on balance it is preferable to stop exploitation and ensure safe manufacturing.
I can't see where anyone has advocated letting wages of £3 an hour continue. (It was actually you that tried to accuse Zacs and Talbot of this.)
Possible repercussions of a clamp-down have been suggested and I took these into account before I posted my response to the OP as I still feel that on balance it is preferable to stop exploitation and ensure safe manufacturing.
Oldred, //I still feel that on balance it is preferable to stop exploitation and ensure safe manufacturing.//
Commendable – unless you’re the one sitting on the scales when they are unexpectedly balanced. If factories employing dodgy practices are closed down, consideration must be given to addressing the repercussions on the suddenly unemployable workforce.
Commendable – unless you’re the one sitting on the scales when they are unexpectedly balanced. If factories employing dodgy practices are closed down, consideration must be given to addressing the repercussions on the suddenly unemployable workforce.
Naomi - //Commendable – unless you’re the one sitting on the scales when they are unexpectedly balanced. If factories employing dodgy practices are closed down, consideration must be given to addressing the repercussions on the suddenly unemployable workforce.//
I have sympathy for that point Naomi and I did say that I had considered the matter and had come to my conclusion 'on balance'.
We do not know how many factories (and consequently employees) would be affected so the problem may not be as bad as you fear.
Unless a factory is found to be so dangerous that continued manufacturing could not be allowed it is unlikely that any investigation by an agency would result in immediate closure of a manufacturing unit.
I advocated a multi-agency approach and if this is done then companies will be obliged to trade within the constraints of laws (taxation, safety, employment etc.) and they will also need to be made aware that appropriate measures will be taken against individuals in the event of contravention. Clamp down on a few and I would hope that, with the appropriate publicity, others will soon get the message. (I wonder what the gossip has been in some parts of Leicester today!)
It is probable that some companies would then cease to be competitive and have to refocus or close but we do have a benefits system for people to fall back on if they are entitled to receive this.
The last situation would be the most unfortunate for employees but I am still of a mind that we would be better making efforts to clean up a situation that has been allowed to develop over a long period of time.
I don't believe for one minute that everything can be sorted out quickly but hopefully the worst exploiters can be removed from the market and in other cases employees see some improvement in their conditions.
I have sympathy for that point Naomi and I did say that I had considered the matter and had come to my conclusion 'on balance'.
We do not know how many factories (and consequently employees) would be affected so the problem may not be as bad as you fear.
Unless a factory is found to be so dangerous that continued manufacturing could not be allowed it is unlikely that any investigation by an agency would result in immediate closure of a manufacturing unit.
I advocated a multi-agency approach and if this is done then companies will be obliged to trade within the constraints of laws (taxation, safety, employment etc.) and they will also need to be made aware that appropriate measures will be taken against individuals in the event of contravention. Clamp down on a few and I would hope that, with the appropriate publicity, others will soon get the message. (I wonder what the gossip has been in some parts of Leicester today!)
It is probable that some companies would then cease to be competitive and have to refocus or close but we do have a benefits system for people to fall back on if they are entitled to receive this.
The last situation would be the most unfortunate for employees but I am still of a mind that we would be better making efforts to clean up a situation that has been allowed to develop over a long period of time.
I don't believe for one minute that everything can be sorted out quickly but hopefully the worst exploiters can be removed from the market and in other cases employees see some improvement in their conditions.
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