The Greens

[Khandro]

If you thought the Liberals were a hapless bunch, you ought to see the Greens!
Caution - cringe warning!

[ToraToraTora]

"TTT....I still won't or can't vote for the Tories !" - your choice of course but New Labour were basically tories.

"Labour have been out of power before but they came back with a vengeance in the recent past and they can do it again. " - no they became tories.

[naomi24]

Cassa. //You can only give them so many chances ...//

I think they've had their chances and the more they move to the left the less their chances become. People aspire to better things and just don't want what they're offering any more. The days of the cloth cap are gone.... but no one told Labour.

[Old_Geezer]

Surely those who do define themselves as male or female are non-binary ? Only those who switch randomly defining themselves as one, then the other, are a bit binary.

[Khandro]

mikey; It was actually the Labour party's Gisela Stuart and a couple of others who had the original foresight to invent article 50, without which we would really (imo) be really shafted for keeps, so lads, let's hear for the Labour party
http://www.expatica.com/nl/news/AFP-50-shades-of-controversy-a-history-of-the-EU-exit-clause_1030913.html

[ichkeria]

If Ms Womack had used even half of her brain she'd have pointed out that the reason the PM's statement on the negotiations sounded so conciliatory is because the hard reality is now kicking in. I guess tho she was hamstrung by her own party's sloganeering.
Anyway, this now seems, conveniently for some, to have morphed into another discussion about the Labour Party (!)

[max137]

I think he destroyed the the poor deluded woman,how is it that the people who voted leave are always portrayed as not knowing what leaving meant I am sure they fully understood. Leave means leave full
stop.

[ichkeria]

Ah but that wasn't the basis on which she struggled

[ToraToraTora]

mikey: "UKIP was only ever just a protest group" - take of those silly blinkers mikey and open your eyes. They are the most successful party in history, the only party ever to achieve their core aim and all by barely entering parliament. Success Labour and conservatives can only dream of.

[Zacs-Master]

I repeat:
I do wish people would stop crediting UKIP as the engineers of Brexit. They weren't the political representatives, nor did they embody the ideals of the vast majority of leave voters. If they had been then there would have been a significantly larger percentage of the 17.4 million leave voters who voted for them in the general election, where they only got 4 million votes.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM, they forced Cameron to have the referendum out of fear of not wining the 2015 election. Then they got the result. Many non UKIP voters voted for brexit, they did not need to be UKIP supporters but UKIP delivered the vote that we used to free ourselves from the EU tyranny. For that I thank Farage and UKIP even though I'm not a core UKIP voter.

[Zacs-Master]

Then 'they' got the result.

Did 'they'? Are you sure? If Farage was hero of the hour, why aren't UKIP a political force? Why didn't they get more than about 23% of people who voted leave voting for them?

[-Talbot-]

There would not have been a referendum if UKIP did not exist, Zacs.
They were the catalysts.

[ToraToraTora]

"If Farage was hero of the hour, why aren't UKIP a political force? " - they are a political force, not measured in baubles like seats but in ideals and fear of them forced the PM of the day to concede a referendum. We would not have had a referendum without them, they were the catalyst. Granted, Cameron would have thought it unlikely that leave would win and probably thought it a safe trinket to throw but as it turned out it was his own Hari Kari.

[Zacs-Master]

'Not measured in baubles like seats' haaaaa! So not measured like everyone else measures political success then?
Cameron was under pressure from both sides of the house to implement the promise of a referendum.

[jno]

lol, the Monster Raving Loonies got far more policies adopted without ever entering Parliament at all. Ukip are at best second-rate Loonies.

[ichkeria]

Didn't UKIP's Brexit spokesperson say earlier this week that he regretted the triggering of Article 50 and that the whole thing could be sorted out in an afternoon??
That's a bit like the Veggie Party's food spokesperson regretting the banning of meat.

[ichkeria]

... so jno I do not know where you get the 'loony' idea from ;-)