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Blair Attacks Corbyn
//In the latest in a string of interventions since the June 2016 referendum, Mr Blair attacked Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, saying the party's "timidity" over Europe under his leadership will usher in Brexit if it continues.//
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When will he understand that he’s yesterday’s man and that Brexit is going to be ushered in. Control is out of his hands - and his frustration is palpable.
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When will he understand that he’s yesterday’s man and that Brexit is going to be ushered in. Control is out of his hands - and his frustration is palpable.
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mikey: "TTT...all that people are saying is that Parliament should be consulted. Not sure what you find wrong with that ? " - fine, explain to me what happens if they do not approve the deal? we leave anyway? with no deal? great I think no deal at all is better for Britain but all this consult parliament pony is just posturing we are leaving anyway.
As the thread has already veered to Iran (by the O.P.er herself) may I add that the reason Corbyn and momentum support the odious Regime there, is because that regime gives millions upon millions to Hezbollah who of course, are dedicated to "removing Israel from the face of the Earth" which is in line with the anti-Semitic aspirations of Corbyn's Labour party.
//the people calling for parliament to have a vote are not doing it in the name of democracy, despite their pretence.
They are doing it in the hope of defying democracy, and stopping Brexit. //
Hopkirk has it in a nutshell. They lie about their true intent, whilst hoping to maintain lies told previously and to gain an opportunity to tell more.
They are doing it in the hope of defying democracy, and stopping Brexit. //
Hopkirk has it in a nutshell. They lie about their true intent, whilst hoping to maintain lies told previously and to gain an opportunity to tell more.
Perhaps Jeremy is quiet on Iran because he is the sleeper behind this little ploy. An attack on parliamentary pcs by Iran, it now appears. Perhaps his "team" introduced the bug...... either knowingly or otherwise. Perhaps as a favour owed say. (^_*)
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“…and if the conditions of our departure differ markedly from what we were all promised in the lead up to the Referendum in 2016, then Parliament has the right to vote to think again.”
We were not “promised” anything prior to the referendum, Mikey. We were threatened with all sorts of nasty things by the Remain and threatened with all sorts of nice things by the Leave camp. The electorate made its choice based on those threats. It was given adequate notice by Project Fear of what would happen if we voted to leave. Some of them were not going to wait until we actually left but would be immediate (e.g. Mr Osborne: “There will be an immediate and profound adverse effect on the UK economy following a vote to leave which could mean up to 500,000 job losses”). People nonetheless voted to leave, not to leave provided the “deal” was good enough.
As for Parliament having the final say over our departure, they have already had it. They voted by about five to one to invoke A50.The European Union withdrawal bill currently due for its third reading in the Commons in a couple of weeks’ time will determine the mechanism for that withdrawal and Parliament is being allowed adequate scrutiny.
Mr Blair’s argument is specious. The referendum returned a decision to leave. Adequate (and some would say more than adequate) time was allowed for both sides to present their arguments and outline what they saw as the possible consequences. To now say that they were not given the full facts is incorrect. All the facts were provided, it was the opinions of each side which voters had to weigh up. They did so and their decision must be respected. Mr Blair seems unable yo do that.
We were not “promised” anything prior to the referendum, Mikey. We were threatened with all sorts of nasty things by the Remain and threatened with all sorts of nice things by the Leave camp. The electorate made its choice based on those threats. It was given adequate notice by Project Fear of what would happen if we voted to leave. Some of them were not going to wait until we actually left but would be immediate (e.g. Mr Osborne: “There will be an immediate and profound adverse effect on the UK economy following a vote to leave which could mean up to 500,000 job losses”). People nonetheless voted to leave, not to leave provided the “deal” was good enough.
As for Parliament having the final say over our departure, they have already had it. They voted by about five to one to invoke A50.The European Union withdrawal bill currently due for its third reading in the Commons in a couple of weeks’ time will determine the mechanism for that withdrawal and Parliament is being allowed adequate scrutiny.
Mr Blair’s argument is specious. The referendum returned a decision to leave. Adequate (and some would say more than adequate) time was allowed for both sides to present their arguments and outline what they saw as the possible consequences. To now say that they were not given the full facts is incorrect. All the facts were provided, it was the opinions of each side which voters had to weigh up. They did so and their decision must be respected. Mr Blair seems unable yo do that.
judge: "As for Parliament having the final say over our departure, they have already had it. They voted by about five to one to invoke A50" - as usual, bang on, what possible purpose do further parliamentary votes have? unless it's to sate the egos of MPs and to make the remainers feel a little better?
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