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I don't suppose they'll be prosecuting those without tickets that forced their way in, will they?
I don't suppose they'll be prosecuting those without tickets that forced their way in, will they?
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Chill - // … prosecutions at this stage just prolong the suffering.
It’s done, let it rest. //
I cannot agree.
Prosecutions which lead to the punishment of those who compounded their wrong decisions by perverting the course of justice, and causing needless anguish for bereaved families, and damage to the reputation of a city's football community can only be a good thing for those left grieving and wanting answers, and justice for their lost loved ones.
Then we can let it rest.
It’s done, let it rest. //
I cannot agree.
Prosecutions which lead to the punishment of those who compounded their wrong decisions by perverting the course of justice, and causing needless anguish for bereaved families, and damage to the reputation of a city's football community can only be a good thing for those left grieving and wanting answers, and justice for their lost loved ones.
Then we can let it rest.
I would imagine the families of the Italians killed by the Liverpool fans consider that the disgrace of Heysel damaged the reputation of a city's football community more than the poor decision made by a single officer in Sheffield. A decision that was made under, no doubt, some considerable pressure but without knowing of the terrible events that would unfold.
Presumably Cressida Dick needs to be looking over her shoulder because she made a difficult decision under extreme pressure that resulted in the death of an innocent Brazilian.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing to have when it comes to looking for a scapegoat.
Presumably Cressida Dick needs to be looking over her shoulder because she made a difficult decision under extreme pressure that resulted in the death of an innocent Brazilian.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing to have when it comes to looking for a scapegoat.
Deskdiary - // … more than the poor decision made by a single officer in Sheffield. //
A poor decision made by a single officer is not the issue here - it is the systematic pervasion of the course of justice by a large number of police officers of high rank, and attendant organisations and individuals that conspired to distort the truth, lay blame elsewhere, and generally escape the consequences of what happened.
A poor decision made by a single officer is not the issue here - it is the systematic pervasion of the course of justice by a large number of police officers of high rank, and attendant organisations and individuals that conspired to distort the truth, lay blame elsewhere, and generally escape the consequences of what happened.
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AH: "Tora you clearly have your mind made up on the responsibilities for this tragedy, and where they lie, so no amount of argument in here is going to sway you in your opinion. " - I just think scape goating a copper for errors to sate the baying crowd is out of order. Duckenfield is just one of the factors that caused this and ticketless fans were another, they should prosecute those too.
TTT - // I just think scape goating a copper for errors to sate the baying crowd is out of order. //
I entirely agree - but this is not 'scapegoating' anyone to 'sate' anyone else, this is legal process being followed, and it is correct it is done, later, but better than not at all.
// Duckenfield is just one of the factors that caused this and ticketless fans were another, they should prosecute those too. //
You do seem somewhat fixated on the notion of 'ticketless fans' although evidence suggests that they were not a factor in the way that the police clearly were, and there is no process for prosecuting anonymous individuals without evidence of any crime they may have committed.
I entirely agree - but this is not 'scapegoating' anyone to 'sate' anyone else, this is legal process being followed, and it is correct it is done, later, but better than not at all.
// Duckenfield is just one of the factors that caused this and ticketless fans were another, they should prosecute those too. //
You do seem somewhat fixated on the notion of 'ticketless fans' although evidence suggests that they were not a factor in the way that the police clearly were, and there is no process for prosecuting anonymous individuals without evidence of any crime they may have committed.
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