Trumps U.n Speech

[fender62]

what do aber's make of trumps u.n speech, positive negative, sounds like he means business to me, but that my op...so what do you think.
https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-un-2018/index.html

[jim360]

Not heard most of it so will defer proper judgement, but it would be, surely, rather easier for him to be taken seriously if he didn't engage in hyperbole so often. I mean "we've accomplished more than any other administration in US history" is both demonstrably false and not even a necessary boast in order for him to look good. In principle he could simply stress the potential progress on North Korea and be content -- but, for some reason, that's not Trump's style.

It can't look good for the US if its leader is basically not taken seriously on the world stage, and that comment prompted laughter and merriment -- detracts from whatever meaningful points he had to make.

[fender62]

i guess he is playing to his voters on what he says? he has accomplished..grandstanding i suppose, perhaps he thinks it gives hope to the unemployed and homeless, i wonder if he has accomplished any of what he said in real life, i do not follow usa politics to the letter, so i do not know.

[Peter Pedant]

thx for putting this up Fender
I didnt as I wanted people to comment

and it makes a change from the usual fare from the usual suspects: "there is a black web chat and I dont what is like or if it is any good or worth listening to - but why arent people screaming Racist?"
oh god normal day on AB

Coming up to an election in the US where the ladies of the great american republic are going to vote with their .....
the great ladies are not keen on gropers as president nor as supreme court justices

I wondered if he wrote his own speeches

Overall - if he has been a man of the people
then it is very difficult to be portentous and a leader - and he didnt bring it off

I think he said at one point - "I am going to champion America First - and you can all join in!" - with plenty of pauses to cue wild applause that didnt come

"I have done more than anyone else...." - and there was uncued laughter which even he said he hadnt expected

Can you imagine FDR giving such a speech ? ( truman - yes)
Or Kennedy saying - "Ich bin ein Berliner - and I am just gonna climb onto an aircraft and leave y'all to it"
and all the Germans falling around laughing and saying
"O god he is so funny - get him off!"

No - I can't

[Peter Pedant]

Yeah the Beeb was saying it was OK for a ra-ra-ra speech to Republicans but not really as a world leader

hence my question - does he write his own speeches ?

[Bazile]

Has any previous POTUS had so many resignations or made so many sackings , in such a short period in office ?

[Peter Pedant]

no
they say no

insiders - not us - whose only function is to adore the first man
call it crazy town
and the white house as a revolving door

[anneasquith]

I abhor this person so much now I can't listen to anything he says, so I couldn't comment.

[sanmac]

Does the UN actually accomplish anything of significance? It seems to me that it's just a bunch of overpaid politicians and diplomats sitting around engaging in oratorical, meaningless, irrelevant gobbledygook.

[Togo]

Did I hear the UN audience have a little laugh? They weren't laughing at the end though were they. Sort of reminded me of Nigel sticking it up the EUSSR at one of their self aggrandisement ceremonies. He who laughs last...…………...

[Togo]

"We will never surrender America’s sovereignty to an unelected, unaccountable, global bureaucracy,"

Donald Trump. Tuesday 25/09/2018

[ichkeria]

Embarrassing. I got the feeling Trump knew very well why they were laughing. And he had the good grace almost to look embarrassed himself.
His isolationist, selfish stance is no laughing matter though. When the most powerful nation on earth plays the put-upon victim it’s bad news for all. But it’s the spirit of the age just now: majorities playing the victim, snarling at the rest

[vetuste_ennemi]

//I wondered if he wrote his own speeches//

I'm pretty sure he didn't write the speech he delivered in Poland last year - you know, the one about symphonies and all that.

That was clearly based on Pericles' funeral oration (as recorded by Thucydides) with its grand theme Athens as the School of Hellas.

[ichkeria]

No Trump definitely doesn’t write some of his speeches : the ones that sound at least half sensible.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Haven't watched the speech, but from the summary in the OP's link he's got some things right: don't fund your enemies, fund your friends, for instance. And of course that sick joke which postures as a protector of human rights.

[Peter Pedant]

// I'm pretty sure he didn't write the speech he delivered in Poland last year - you know, the one about symphonies and all that. //

the one where he said that Poland can defend themselves against Russia and the audience went eek!

first visit to Europe - and after that - the europeans kinda said no thanks .... The leader of the free world says no to globalism which means that the rest of us can start learning Russian and Mandarin

[vetuste_ennemi]

Your contributions to intelligent discourse are universally admired, Peter.

[naomi24]

^ :o)

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

I think he's getting better at these speeches- this was certainly a Presidential speech and delivered with good humour and grace. America is prospering, and many hate to admit that- but the fact remains, Trump is good for America, good for their economy, and millions will benefit as a result.

[youngmafbog]

Trump was clearly playing up to his voters. Why would he do anything else at a UN hot air conference.

"I abhor this person so much now I can't listen to anything he says"
There are many people I abhor but I listen to them so I can get a fuller perspective on things.

But then if you are not interested in arguably one of the most powerful men in the world has to say, whether you agree or not, then feel free to stick your head in the sand.