There Is Much Talk Over The Tories Being Torn Apart But Are Labour In Just The Same Position?

[youngmafbog]

The feelings for the EU, one way or another, are of course cross party (Apart from the lib dems and who cares about them?).

So why all the Tory bashing? And what exactly do labour stand for?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6495699/Angela-Rayner-warns-second-referendum-undermine-democracy.html

[10ClarionSt]

Trump was never going to be President either, was he?

[ichkeria]

I wonder what those Tories who joined Labour (good evening Tora) to vote for Corbyn as leader are thinking now?
Mind you “will Corbyn be PM” and “will Corbyn be any good as PM” are very different questions.

[Quizmonster]

Every Tory politician and supporter who appears in the media at the moment seizes the opportunity to 'warn' the electorate that - if they or their MPs do such and such - the country will inevitably be faced with a Corbyn government.
This is, of course just free political advertising. So why don't Labour politicians and supporters invited to express their views take the opposite tack and 'advise' the electorate just to look at the "testicular elevation" the Tories are making of Brexit?

But Brexit isn't the only Conservative shambles. For example, did any rational being seriously imagine that something devised by Iain Duncan Smith would actually work? I refer to Universal Credit and the disaster it is for many of the very people it is meant to 'help'.

One could go on, but I'll leave it at that. More of this lot? Dear god!

[gulliver1]

QM, 19.31 , agree with you , I .D. S, is and always will be , another Tory Fool , full of Stupid Ideas. He is as your description the biggest "Testicular Elevation" the Tories ever recruited

[naomi24]

^Still waiting Baldric?

[Baldric]

I am very relaxed about the whole thing, but nothing positive emerges, I am guessing the opposition have nothing positive to say.

[naomi24]

And you'd be right. ;o)

[cassa333]

It’s pointless Corbyn going for a VONC as he knows he will lose and he has no alternative to speak of.

The deal on the table is a dead duck sinking.
MPs haven’t the guts to do the right thing and go out on no deal.
Between them they haven’t put a viable alternative forward other than to try and overturn the result by insisting on another referendum or suspension etc etc.

Give me a chance and I’ll sort it but it they would have to shut up and take it like adults. (I do realise that adult nowadays still act like petulant teenagers but we can but hope).

[gulliver1]

Half of Mrs Mays Cabinet are now considering a Second Referendum.
Whooo Hoo.

[Gromit]

// And one reason Comrade Corbyn has been reluctant to challenge no confidence in the government. He knows his own party are just as split //

Nah, completely wrong. Corbyn is waiting for the right time to challenge, which is after May’s Brexit deal is rejected by Parliament. To challenge May now, like the 1922 committee did, was foolish and bound to fail.
When the majority of MPs dump the deal, and the alternative is to crash out of the EU without a deal, Tories and Labour MPs will act decisively to remove May, and consult the electorate about the next step.

[ToraToraTora]

dream on gromit. Parliament clearly won't pass the deal so there is no point in putting it through just to show that. May cannot be removed by the Tories for a year. Cob cannot force an Election without tempting some Tories and the DUP. The former won't want a GE and the DUP won't either if there is a chance that republican supporting Labour get's in.QED There is no chance of a GE. So either we drop out with no deal or they have a PDQ second vote and we stay or leave with no deal on that. May has already said that a 2nd referendum will be a betrayal of the first, so no deal looks increasingly likely.