Time For A New Referendum ?

[weecalf]

Is it time for a new referendum .if its out out we go deal or no deal if its in have a general election and let’s get on with looking after our country . there was a referendum I hear you say .Aye there was but this time no politicians involved let the people decide not like last time when we did not know who to believe .

[murraymints]

gulp...... we voted ..we said... you deliver... end of democracy to go back..just cos you want to take the ball back !

[dannyk13]

kval, May has given her reasons why there won't be another referendum.You will just have to live with it.

[SparklyKid]

Utter nonsense. To say we leavers did not know the full story is ridiculous. We have been living under the tyranny of the EU since 1975.

Out with no deal is the only sensible way forward.

[kvalidir]

Or not if you play by Togo's rules apparently. I've said all along it's obvious we won't leave and we won't, that's clearer now than ever, the country is in pieces over this mishandled, cocked up, weak handling of the situation, and it's not undemocratic to ask the people a second time given all that has recently come to light about how damaging this is.

[jim360]

Theresa May can say what she likes about a second referendum, but I would have thought that you, in particular, danny, would be unlikely to take her seriously. And besides, it may not be entirely her choice.

[dannyk13]

kval, without a new act of parliament we will leave the EU in March 2019. I reference to a new referendum at the instigation of the remainers, what is to stop the brexiteers demanding another one if they lose?.

[jim360]

"...what is to stop the brexiteers demanding another one if they lose?"

Nothing -- except maybe that they wouldn't have support for a further referendum in Parliament or in the country.

At the moment I can't for the life of me work out what Theresa May is playing at, beyond trying desperately to get her Deal accepted. When it fails, though, she runs out of excuses to explore other options.

[murraymints]

like I have always said..OOT OOT OOT .. kVal you are fortunate to be so young,,we remember how well life was pre EEC !....we will get by...the Bundesbank and Brussels..well go sod 'em....

[kvalidir]

Hi Minty :)x I'm going to the post office and can't find your address, could you Hangouts it over to me please? Ta x

Sorry for the brief derailment x

[dannyk13]

Jim // trying desperately to get her Deal accepted//
Exactly

[jim360]

Depends on whom you ask as to how life was before joining the EC. Perhaps you missed the fact, Minty, that the UK spent 15 years, on and off, trying to join it? There was a good reason for that.

[dannyk13]

Jim // UK spent 15 years, on and off, trying to join it? There was a good reason for that.//
We anted to join the European Economic Community not the EU as it stands today.

[Ellipsis]

What's the most important thing right now? I would say not leaving or remaining but reuniting a divided country.

What's the deal that can be done that reunites a divided country? I would say the one that nobody wants! But that gives everybody some of what they want.

So, I think the deal that's on the table is the very close to the deal we'll end up doing. The key issue, that will still leave is a split as-is, is the backstop. "They" - the UK and EU - need to a) make it very clear that the backstop is unlikely to be invoked and b) put a time limit on it if it is invoked. I think minds will be concentrated and systems and technologies will be created that make the backstop go away, if people know that there's a hard limit on it.

[murraymints]

we did jim..but life has changed as we know it,... i spent years in inner Government and have an insight many wont....at the time of referendum and the percentage vote..it was not fair... believe me I know more than most regarding the inside of stuff...

[jim360]

I don't doubt your sincerity Minty, but you aren't the only one I know with insights into the workings of the government.

The UK has, overall, benefitted from EU membership -- economically and in many other ways -- and it will be a sad thing for all concerned if we do end up leaving. In the meantime, there is no reason to worry about a second referendum, nor claim that holding one marks the death of democracy.

[jobjockey]

Another one, why? if we vote to leave
again do they then realise that we really
do want out, but to vote remain can you
see how the Germans etc, would make us
grovel.

[Theland]

I still don't understand why the Remainers, citing democracy, want a second referendum, so that we could possibly and democratically take a step back in to this most undemocratic and authoritarian rich club.

[gulliver1]

As mentioned previously, the Remainers knew what they were voting for
The leavers did not. Not really the leavers fault they were misinformed.

[Old_Geezer]

I suspect the "good reasons" for that were a) benefits for politicians involved, b) the idea that trade agreements are beneficial to the economy, c) politicians not giving a hoot about the nation's status as long as they can take credit for the change and be out of office by the time the people realise how they were lied to about it being just a trade arrangement. Most likely more reasons too, but that's enough to be going on with.

[Old_Geezer]

There's every reason to inform folk that repeating referenda until one gets the answer politicians want indicates an absence of democracy. Some are still deluded into thinking it proves democracy.

Reuniting a divided country can only be started after the government delivers on our vote and those unable to accept that their view lost realise that their protests are finally too late.