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"the Eu Has Nothing To Loose"
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According to the remainiacs.
Really?
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Naomi gave me a link to some countries complaining about the EU when I asked for examples of the EU being intransigent. Naomi is clutching at straws in her attempt to back up her unfactual claim the the EU are sorry to see us go, by claiming the EU are it’s member states when, clearly, what is being debated is the council itself.
Zacs, why you addressing a perceived audience instead of talking directly to me?
No straw-clutching here. Are you sure you know what the Council itself is?
From Wiki: //The European Council is a collective body that defines the European Union's overall political direction and priorities. IT COMPRISES THE HEADS OF STATE OR GOVERNMENT OF THE EU MEMBER STATES, along with the President of the European Council and the President of the European Commission. The High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy also takes part in its meetings//
That clearly includes those heads of state who expressed concern. I’ll ask again. Who is the EU … you know … the EU that you’re happy to allow to ignore its members even though those members are represented on the council by their leaders? You’re getting your knickers in a pretty silly knot, zacs. Give it up.
No straw-clutching here. Are you sure you know what the Council itself is?
From Wiki: //The European Council is a collective body that defines the European Union's overall political direction and priorities. IT COMPRISES THE HEADS OF STATE OR GOVERNMENT OF THE EU MEMBER STATES, along with the President of the European Council and the President of the European Commission. The High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy also takes part in its meetings//
That clearly includes those heads of state who expressed concern. I’ll ask again. Who is the EU … you know … the EU that you’re happy to allow to ignore its members even though those members are represented on the council by their leaders? You’re getting your knickers in a pretty silly knot, zacs. Give it up.
I know perfectly well what the EU are. And it’s not it’s member states. Found any examples of the actual council (who, by your own admission, make all the decisions) showing any signs of making a compromise on our deal because they don’t want us to leave?
(BTW, I was only carrying on in the style of your post where you refer to yourself in the third person)
(BTW, I was only carrying on in the style of your post where you refer to yourself in the third person)
Zacs, //I know perfectly well what the EU are.//
Why don’t you tell me then? I’ve asked you umpteen times.
You said // what is being debated is the council itself.//
I’ve told you what the council comprises …. so just what are you attempting to discuss?
//I was only carrying on in the style of your post where you refer to yourself in the third person//
Indeed ….. in response to you addressing your perceived audience – again. You have a habit of reverting to that style when your argument is floundering.
Why don’t you tell me then? I’ve asked you umpteen times.
You said // what is being debated is the council itself.//
I’ve told you what the council comprises …. so just what are you attempting to discuss?
//I was only carrying on in the style of your post where you refer to yourself in the third person//
Indeed ….. in response to you addressing your perceived audience – again. You have a habit of reverting to that style when your argument is floundering.
I gave a concise summary of what the EU are in this thread:
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I’m still waiting for a leave voter (preferably you, Naomi) to give me some factual examples (or even just one) of the EU (you know, The ones you constantly condem, not their member states) being concerned about our leaving.
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I’m still waiting for a leave voter (preferably you, Naomi) to give me some factual examples (or even just one) of the EU (you know, The ones you constantly condem, not their member states) being concerned about our leaving.
Nothing to lose? Except their jobs? Meanwhile...
//A Milan project has been revealed to have spent at least 15 million euros over the past three years to help migrants into work, but only 120 have actually found jobs.
The Protection System for Asylum Seekers and Refugees (SPRAR) is a government-funded project that aids asylum seekers across Italy and in Milan spent millions on training courses, Il Giornale reports.//
And here.
//In Germany, a recent report from last month revealed that 65 percent of asylum seekers in Germany are still unemployed despite the government spending billions on various programmes.//
And here.
//In Sweden, the rate of unemployment for migrants dwarfs that of native Swedes, with a report from the Swedish Public Employment Service last year showing the native unemployment rate at just 3.6 percent, while the migrant unemployment rate topped 19.9 percent.//
If they throw enough(of our) money at it they will surely improve it won't they? What have they got to lose?
//A Milan project has been revealed to have spent at least 15 million euros over the past three years to help migrants into work, but only 120 have actually found jobs.
The Protection System for Asylum Seekers and Refugees (SPRAR) is a government-funded project that aids asylum seekers across Italy and in Milan spent millions on training courses, Il Giornale reports.//
And here.
//In Germany, a recent report from last month revealed that 65 percent of asylum seekers in Germany are still unemployed despite the government spending billions on various programmes.//
And here.
//In Sweden, the rate of unemployment for migrants dwarfs that of native Swedes, with a report from the Swedish Public Employment Service last year showing the native unemployment rate at just 3.6 percent, while the migrant unemployment rate topped 19.9 percent.//
If they throw enough(of our) money at it they will surely improve it won't they? What have they got to lose?
The EU has a lot to lose.
The difference is, they are simply better at playing hardball in negotiations.
Their contempt for the UK has shone through the negotiations since Cameron went simpering over to wring his hands and beg.
It has been compounded by the UK's negotiators' lack of courage to simply bluff them out, and keep our position well hidden - and now it's too late.
The difference is, they are simply better at playing hardball in negotiations.
Their contempt for the UK has shone through the negotiations since Cameron went simpering over to wring his hands and beg.
It has been compounded by the UK's negotiators' lack of courage to simply bluff them out, and keep our position well hidden - and now it's too late.
Charles Moore writes in Today's Telegraph;
"As the joke goes, if you know who your local MEP is, you are that MEP. In Britain, we have never taken the elections to the European Parliament seriously. They have been little more than a chance for voters to let off steam by, for example, voting Ukip.
Things are different on the Continent, however, and so we are in danger of not understanding what is going on. The next Euro-elections are in May. It seems as if, for the first time ever, the status quo faces a challenge. Until now, the vast majority of MEPs has colluded in wanting “more Europe”. The parliament has gained greater powers to enforce this. Under the “Spitzenkandidat” system which now chooses the president of the European Commission, the parliament bands together to prevent an open contest and make sure that the next head is in the “right” mould.
Now, however, there is a real chance that insurgent “populist” parties could do well in the European elections, making the parliament plural in its European views as never before. Unrestricted immigration will almost certainly become harder. Someone might even be bold enough to call for “less Europe” in some areas.
This helps explain why France is in such a rage with Italy’s populist coalition just now. Its histrionic gesture of withdrawing its ambassador from Rome, for the first time since June 1940, should be seen as an electoral move.
It also helps explain why the EU powers want Brexit settled soon. They do not want British MEPs helping to lower the Euro-maniac proportions in the next European Parliament. To my amazement, I almost feel sorry I shan’t have a chance to vote in the next European election."
But I do ........ ho-ho!
"As the joke goes, if you know who your local MEP is, you are that MEP. In Britain, we have never taken the elections to the European Parliament seriously. They have been little more than a chance for voters to let off steam by, for example, voting Ukip.
Things are different on the Continent, however, and so we are in danger of not understanding what is going on. The next Euro-elections are in May. It seems as if, for the first time ever, the status quo faces a challenge. Until now, the vast majority of MEPs has colluded in wanting “more Europe”. The parliament has gained greater powers to enforce this. Under the “Spitzenkandidat” system which now chooses the president of the European Commission, the parliament bands together to prevent an open contest and make sure that the next head is in the “right” mould.
Now, however, there is a real chance that insurgent “populist” parties could do well in the European elections, making the parliament plural in its European views as never before. Unrestricted immigration will almost certainly become harder. Someone might even be bold enough to call for “less Europe” in some areas.
This helps explain why France is in such a rage with Italy’s populist coalition just now. Its histrionic gesture of withdrawing its ambassador from Rome, for the first time since June 1940, should be seen as an electoral move.
It also helps explain why the EU powers want Brexit settled soon. They do not want British MEPs helping to lower the Euro-maniac proportions in the next European Parliament. To my amazement, I almost feel sorry I shan’t have a chance to vote in the next European election."
But I do ........ ho-ho!
