Another Waste Of Time....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics
Can we just get out with no deal now?

[New Judge]

//Well, yes, but firstly, nine months isn't "day 1"//

Well, I assume "day 1" to be the day A50 was triggered. There were thus nine months for the government to formulate its approach to the negotiations so that they could be presented on "Day 1"


"...and secondly we *did* set out our terms -- or, rather, Theresa May did. Unfortunately, those terms, which actually got a good deal of support at the time, didn't lead anywhere brilliant."

They might have done had Mrs May not capitulated at virtually every juncture (though personally I doubt it).

[ichkeria]

There’s a bill up for debate tomorrow -if selected - which attempts to make a No Deal Brexit illegal

[ToraToraTora]

calm down ich that would need an act of parliament and even then it would need the EU to agree to perpetual extensions. I suspect it would be declared Ultra Vires anyway. It'll be another, we think gravity should stop working type indicative vote anyway. Even Barmpot is now saying no deal is looking likely. I've said it many times, simply declaring you don't want no deal does not stop no deal.

[New Judge]

"There’s a bill up for debate tomorrow -if selected - which attempts to make a No Deal Brexit illegal"

Then they will have to get it through the Commons and the Lords (and be given Royal Assent) by Friday week, then. Unless of course its promoters are thinking of asking the EU to grant a lengthy extension).

[ToraToraTora]

anyway, I haven't seen a white paper!

[ichkeria]

I’m just letting you know ;-)
Presumably if the bill passes it becomes an Act of Parliament at some stage ...

[ToraToraTora]

ich are you familiar with the process of creating an act of parliament? You can't just write it on a fag packet and it becomes law after a short debate and agreement in the commons. Where is the white paper? draft Bill? etc

[mushroom25]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/02/mps-seek-to-stop-no-deal-brexit-by-tabling-article-50-bill

[ichkeria]

Take it up with Yvette Cooper, not me. Like I say, I’m just pointing out what is happening.

[mushroom25]

if passed the bill would require the PM to request extension to A50. it would not however impose any legal obligation on the EU, who could kick it into the long grass.

[ToraToraTora]

all it is is another attempt at saying they want to stop the default without actually putting anything in to stop the default

[dannyk13]

Just today Barnier has stated that the EU is against any further extension.

[ichkeria]

It would presumably though make the government legally obliged to Revoke Article 50 :-)
We cannot have the Politburo and the secret police of the EUSSR telling us to leave against our British laws
Lol

[ToraToraTora]

The EU have already said they won't extend further, especially past the elections, unless there is a substantial reason for doing so.

[mushroom25]

you can (sort of) read the text of the bill here:-
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1113047756355010565/photo/1

[Old_Geezer]

Yes danny, I am aware that they have already agreed to May's remainer anti-Brexit deal if she can get it through parliament. That's why I've stated, "No-deal (in the absence of the EU suddenly becoming reasonable) is the only exit option left." And to make things worse she's now shown her true colours and threatened to talk to the leader of the party most trying to thwart Brexit. It's beginning to look as if she needs to go soonest. Perhaps we can drop out of the EU while they decide who to put in as PM next.