This Is The True Cost Of Brexit

[jim360]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7219283/Swedish-mother-50-blames-Brexit-stress-drink-drive-crash-ditch.html

Is there any more reason needed to end this disaster? The effects are real. The cost is great. Time to stop this madness.

[retrocop]

NJ
Isn't a refusal at the scene an automatic 12month ban irrespective of the result of a subsequent breath test at the Station?

[dannyk13]

Retro, no
Sentencing for Failure to Provide Specimens
Failing to provide a breath test can lead to a fine of up £1000, and 4 licence penalty points can be imposed. The refusal to give blood or urine can lead to a fine of up to £2,500 and/or three months imprisonment and 10 penalty point imposed.

[retrocop]

Thanks danny. Nearly 35 years since I used a Draeger Alcotest 80 kit. :-)

[New Judge]

//NJ
Isn't a refusal at the scene an automatic 12month ban irrespective of the result of a subsequent breath test at the Station?//

Without looking it up, retro, I believe the procedure is that refusal to provide a breath test at the roadside allows the officer to arrest the driver (as it would if he had provided a positive test). Only if the refusal to provide is extended to refusal to provide an evidential specimen back at the nick can the driver be charged with "failing to provide". Nonetheless such a refusal also carries a mandatory ban of a minimum of twelve months.

[retrocop]

Thanks NJ. :-)

[Peter Pedant]

// The effects are real. The cost is great. Time to stop this madness. the people are blind//
in fact it is the jeremy kyle show only in real life !

FT has a bit about brexit and a slowing economy ....

[New Judge]

//Failing to provide a breath test can lead to a fine of up £1000, and 4 licence penalty points can be imposed. The refusal to give blood or urine can lead to a fine of up to £2,500 and/or three months imprisonment and 10 penalty point imposed.//

I don't know where you got that from, Danny, but it is incorrect. All excess alcohol or refusal offences which involve driving or attempting to drive (but not "in charge") carry a minimum 12 month ban. "In charge" offences carry a minimum 10 penalty points. Here's the sentencing guideline:

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/fail-to-provide-specimen-for-analysis-driveattempt-to-drive-revised-2017/

[Peter Pedant]

speaking from experience - - NJ's opinion is old law

( failing to provide, and banned, just over the limit...) - the whole station was agog, and I thought - jesus, do you REALLY have nothing better to do?
they do of course but drunk drivers dont stab shoot or spit ....

[New Judge]

//NJ's opinion is old law//

Nothing I've said on this thread (apart from the mitigation being nonsense) is opinion, Peter.