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No Deal Block?
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the No Deal Alliance have met and issued a statement.
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Opposition MPs have agreed to try to block a no-deal Brexit by passing legislation in Parliament.
just so we're all clear - is legislation passed in the UK parliament binding on the EU? If messrs Tusk and Juncker say "non", can Mr Corbyn say "yeh but - act of parliament"?
what happens then?
https:/
Opposition MPs have agreed to try to block a no-deal Brexit by passing legislation in Parliament.
just so we're all clear - is legislation passed in the UK parliament binding on the EU? If messrs Tusk and Juncker say "non", can Mr Corbyn say "yeh but - act of parliament"?
what happens then?
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mozz: "I've got to the point where even though I'm a remainer, I now think that we need to leave. I do think no deal is playing with fire, so another extension and hopefully a resumption in negotiations is our best bet. " - if we do not demonstrate that we are prepared to leave with no deal the EUSSR will not budge an inch, more time won't matter. They may not budge anyway but at least they now know are serious.
It’s worth repeating for the zillionth time: There is one so called "deal" which Teresa May capitulated to.
But some of parliament can't accept it because it's an anti-Brexit/Remainer deal and parliament promised an exit as voted for by the nation; whilst the undemocratic MPs, who are determined to thwart the result of the vote, don't want it because it's not a full remain.
In effect it's no Brexit deal at all and can thus be ignored; especially after some idiot put it to the vote, not once, not twice, but THREE times before they seemed to get the message.
But some of parliament can't accept it because it's an anti-Brexit/Remainer deal and parliament promised an exit as voted for by the nation; whilst the undemocratic MPs, who are determined to thwart the result of the vote, don't want it because it's not a full remain.
In effect it's no Brexit deal at all and can thus be ignored; especially after some idiot put it to the vote, not once, not twice, but THREE times before they seemed to get the message.
//I know a lot of leavers are demanding we leave whatever, but is an extra six months really worth (potentially) sacrificing the UK's economic stability over?//
It won't do that (though it may do so to the EU's economy). But no matter. The EU graciously granted an extension of around six months a few months ago, and urged the UK "not to waste it". MPs responded by using most of it to take a holiday and to go on their Jolly Boys' Outings (aka "Conferences").
It won't do that (though it may do so to the EU's economy). But no matter. The EU graciously granted an extension of around six months a few months ago, and urged the UK "not to waste it". MPs responded by using most of it to take a holiday and to go on their Jolly Boys' Outings (aka "Conferences").
A referendum on the deal couldn’t produce a “wrong answer”: we either leave the EU in an orderly fashion or we don’t leave at all.
I don’t think the time is an issue. The EU would certainly grant an extension and actually the shorter the timescale the better. Less time for more divisive campaigning.
The only problem with it is too darned sensible to succeed :-)
I don’t think the time is an issue. The EU would certainly grant an extension and actually the shorter the timescale the better. Less time for more divisive campaigning.
The only problem with it is too darned sensible to succeed :-)
The 6 months delay wasn't the UK's to waste. It was the EU that needed to rethink it's stance; and they've wasted it by remaining resolute in their decision not to be reasonable but to continue to reject all possible border issue solutions, and everything else to boot.
We either leave the EU, as has already been decided, (how orderly it would be has never come into it, no one said leave only if things are settled, or we've abandoned all aims and principles) or we don't and cease pretending that government in this country has any respect for democracy of the people. The latter is clearly unthinkable.
Nothing sensible about continuing with uncertainty and it's affects. Especially as it just encourages the EU to think they can refuse suggestions forever and we wouldn't ever have the guts to leave, because of all the lily-livered PMs. Must be the most unsensible option suggested. (Some fool has already tried it anyway. We could be out and progressing by now had they not done so.)
We either leave the EU, as has already been decided, (how orderly it would be has never come into it, no one said leave only if things are settled, or we've abandoned all aims and principles) or we don't and cease pretending that government in this country has any respect for democracy of the people. The latter is clearly unthinkable.
Nothing sensible about continuing with uncertainty and it's affects. Especially as it just encourages the EU to think they can refuse suggestions forever and we wouldn't ever have the guts to leave, because of all the lily-livered PMs. Must be the most unsensible option suggested. (Some fool has already tried it anyway. We could be out and progressing by now had they not done so.)
//Boris can pull us out tomorrow if he wants, he dosent need to wait until the 31st//
I've heard this a couple of times and have been investigating. I'm not so sure the above is correct. As far as I can establish, we can only leave before 31st October if the (or "a") Withdrawal Agreement is agreed. Without a deal I believe we must wait until Halloween before we "crash out".
I've heard this a couple of times and have been investigating. I'm not so sure the above is correct. As far as I can establish, we can only leave before 31st October if the (or "a") Withdrawal Agreement is agreed. Without a deal I believe we must wait until Halloween before we "crash out".
a lot of mp's are going to be out of a job if this all goes south, and we leave without a deal.. and i hope it does, all the big mouths, disregarding the democratic vote, pie in your faces, as for corbyn disgraceful human being, the mans plotting a coup, were not in south america..let alone the mideast or africa, shameful...
I have always been a political animal, associate member Labour 43 years, ex shop steward and voted Labour all my life.
I have never felt so hurt and betrayed as I feel now, it is almost physical pain, since the anti semitic Corbyn betrayed us and turned his back on democracy.
I feel sickened by him and his accomplices.
He is the new Guy Fawkes.
I have never felt so hurt and betrayed as I feel now, it is almost physical pain, since the anti semitic Corbyn betrayed us and turned his back on democracy.
I feel sickened by him and his accomplices.
He is the new Guy Fawkes.
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