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You Just Can't Win Can You...........
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Everyone condemns the abuse after the game including the HomeSec. Yet that's not good enough because she correctly condemned the kneeling cobras as "gesture politics". Some footballers got abused after missing penalties, she gets vile sexual and racist abuse every day and she's the bad guy! Unbelievable!
Everyone condemns the abuse after the game including the HomeSec. Yet that's not good enough because she correctly condemned the kneeling cobras as "gesture politics". Some footballers got abused after missing penalties, she gets vile sexual and racist abuse every day and she's the bad guy! Unbelievable!
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If it's been around for over sixty years, it hasn't achieved very much if your answer is "give it time". I suggest it's a gesture that is feeding racism rather than eradicating it.
11:44 Tue 13th Jul 2021
I don't understand the "stoking the fire" comment? It almost sounds as though it "provokes" racism... which isn't possible except for those who are already. It might enlighten us to people's views, but isn't going to make people racist.
Join in or ignore it... nobody will see anything negative in it, unless they are determined to.
Join in or ignore it... nobody will see anything negative in it, unless they are determined to.
"You won't hear a racist comment at a rugby match, from the local pub side to England at Twickers."
March 2021
"Marland Yarde tells SSN's Gail Davis he does not believe rugby cares enough about tackling racism; RPA says game's stakeholders must put it top of their agenda; RFU says collective effort needed; Premiership Rugby says it is committed to making rugby more welcoming and inclusive"
March 2021
"England player Ellis Genge said he had been target of death threats on social media in the aftermath of England's defeat
BBC reporter Sonja McLaughlan was also targeted, saying the abuse left her crying in her car after the game"
April 2021
'The WRU said in a statement it was taking part in the collective bid to "tackle online racism, discrimination and abuse."
It read: "This is a matter that the WRU takes seriously, having shed light on the abuse received by its players in the past - most recently during this year's Guinness Six Nations campaign.'
May 2021
"London Irish have contacted police after their Fijian No8 Albert Tuisue was the target of racial abuse following the Gallagher Premiership defeat by Newcastle."
Do you believe there's no racism heard at rugby matches still?
March 2021
"Marland Yarde tells SSN's Gail Davis he does not believe rugby cares enough about tackling racism; RPA says game's stakeholders must put it top of their agenda; RFU says collective effort needed; Premiership Rugby says it is committed to making rugby more welcoming and inclusive"
March 2021
"England player Ellis Genge said he had been target of death threats on social media in the aftermath of England's defeat
BBC reporter Sonja McLaughlan was also targeted, saying the abuse left her crying in her car after the game"
April 2021
'The WRU said in a statement it was taking part in the collective bid to "tackle online racism, discrimination and abuse."
It read: "This is a matter that the WRU takes seriously, having shed light on the abuse received by its players in the past - most recently during this year's Guinness Six Nations campaign.'
May 2021
"London Irish have contacted police after their Fijian No8 Albert Tuisue was the target of racial abuse following the Gallagher Premiership defeat by Newcastle."
Do you believe there's no racism heard at rugby matches still?
Vulcan- //It adds to racism because it annoys some people, if you want unity you do not continue to annoy those who disagree.//
Although a different way of looking at it is that it doesn't annoy those who are less eagerly triggered. It should be asked why an act supporting anti-discrimination causes so much annoyance to so many. The players have said over and over that it is not in support of BLM, although so many seem to have made their mind up that it is. Does that mean that the consider the players to be liars? Is that why they're so angry?
Although a different way of looking at it is that it doesn't annoy those who are less eagerly triggered. It should be asked why an act supporting anti-discrimination causes so much annoyance to so many. The players have said over and over that it is not in support of BLM, although so many seem to have made their mind up that it is. Does that mean that the consider the players to be liars? Is that why they're so angry?
Taking the knee is not BLM's gesture like the Nazi salute is a Nazi gesture (clue's in the name). Taking the knee is much wider than BLM.
I kind of agree with you, though, in that the problem is a combination of:
1) the Black Lives Matter political organisation nicked the name of the Black Lives Matter movement and the gesture that was also used by the movement and in a wider context, like Martin Luther King (1960s), Colin Kaepernick (2016), and so on
2) people who, for whatever reason, don't agree with players doing something to show their disdain for racism, being able to use (1) to say that what they're actually doing is showing support for the Black Lives Matter political organisation, despite being told over and over again that it is not the case
I agree that the BLM political organisation has muddied the waters and that if a different gesture had been chosen, it would have been helpful. Likewise, it would also be helpful if people if people took what the players said at face value. But we are where we are.
I kind of agree with you, though, in that the problem is a combination of:
1) the Black Lives Matter political organisation nicked the name of the Black Lives Matter movement and the gesture that was also used by the movement and in a wider context, like Martin Luther King (1960s), Colin Kaepernick (2016), and so on
2) people who, for whatever reason, don't agree with players doing something to show their disdain for racism, being able to use (1) to say that what they're actually doing is showing support for the Black Lives Matter political organisation, despite being told over and over again that it is not the case
I agree that the BLM political organisation has muddied the waters and that if a different gesture had been chosen, it would have been helpful. Likewise, it would also be helpful if people if people took what the players said at face value. But we are where we are.
Tora- //well get another gesture then! gawd if I did a Nazi salute, you'd correctly assume I was supporting the Nazis right?//
As Ellipsis stated, taking the knee was a gesture against racial equality before BLM adopted it. I'm not sure a Nazi salute can have any more than one meaning. Even if the adopted another gesture, how long would it take until they were derided for that?
As Ellipsis stated, taking the knee was a gesture against racial equality before BLM adopted it. I'm not sure a Nazi salute can have any more than one meaning. Even if the adopted another gesture, how long would it take until they were derided for that?
Well here's an interesting development ...
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Conservative MPs need to change their attitude and support footballers who take the knee, a senior figure on the right of the party has said.
Steve Baker told the BBC players were not calling to "defund the police" or being "anti-capitalist" - they were saying "we suffer racism".
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Responding to Mings, Conservative MP Johnny Mercer said: "The painful truth is that this guy is completely right."
He added he was "very uncomfortable with the position we Conservatives are needlessly forcing ourselves into".
Steve Baker, who chaired the pro-Brexit European Research Group of Tory MPs, said the controversy should serve as a "wake-up call" to the Conservative Party over how it is seen in the rest of the country.
Mr Baker said he would not take the knee himself, as its connection to BLM meant its symbolism was subject to "multiple competing interpretations".
But he added that he thought footballers were motivated by a desire to express their "solidarity with those who suffer racism".
"We just have to get alongside those players who are taking the knee, and understand they are not saying 'defund the police', they're not anti-capitalist," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
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Conservative MPs need to change their attitude and support footballers who take the knee, a senior figure on the right of the party has said.
Steve Baker told the BBC players were not calling to "defund the police" or being "anti-capitalist" - they were saying "we suffer racism".
...
Responding to Mings, Conservative MP Johnny Mercer said: "The painful truth is that this guy is completely right."
He added he was "very uncomfortable with the position we Conservatives are needlessly forcing ourselves into".
Steve Baker, who chaired the pro-Brexit European Research Group of Tory MPs, said the controversy should serve as a "wake-up call" to the Conservative Party over how it is seen in the rest of the country.
Mr Baker said he would not take the knee himself, as its connection to BLM meant its symbolism was subject to "multiple competing interpretations".
But he added that he thought footballers were motivated by a desire to express their "solidarity with those who suffer racism".
"We just have to get alongside those players who are taking the knee, and understand they are not saying 'defund the police', they're not anti-capitalist," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
mozz, it's the people who continue to boo are the ones we want to win over, we've had kneeling at football grounds long enough to know that in itself it isn't going to work. Those of us who genuinely want social and racial harmony have to find a different way to achieve it. I totally agree with Abe Lincoln when he said Do I not destroy my enemies by making them my friends. You don't make friends by continuously annoying them.
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