Nailit's Probably Not Around

[pastafreak]

But here's some reading relating to AstraZeneca and blood clots. Out of 50 MILLION doses in the UK, there have been 73 deaths.
Scientists are finding out why...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59418123

[pixie374]

I know people who have had bad effects from the vaccine, I was allergic to them... and still have covid. The point is, the answer is different for individuals. The angina attacks that one client is having regularly, could very well lead to a heart attack- but won't be recorded as covid or vaccine related.
Like spice says, I'm not anti-vax, but dislike the refusal to be honest.

[Peter Pedant]

Good graphic
I think we had a lot about this about a month ago

the hard core refusers ( like the ones left now and not dead) dont really respond to reasoned argument
they just say: I will go on thinking about it

[Peter Pedant]

// lead to a heart attack- but won't be recorded as covid or vaccine related.//

not related -

this is the other side of the coin of NJ - you see you break your leg, and prove to be covid+ - so they say it is due to covid !

here - you have the heart attack you were gonna have anyway and it is after the vaccine so you say" it IS. it IS. it IS clearly a side effect of the vaccine"

[ the way you tell - is to compare heart attacks say 15 d after vaccines and compare to the reference level two years ago. With very large series - NHS can easily run 1- 5-00,000 look backs -"it shows up in the wash". - this has been done ( multiply). For example the Oxford vaccine was NOT approved in the USA ( I wonder why, when they had three or four of their own) because of side effects - and then they admitted with a very long series that it wasnt as bad as they thought
( this type of recording error is called Recall Bias)

[pixie374]

Not true, pp, it could take some time to lead there. Everyone, including doctors, know the cause. But it won't be "officially" recorded, because it wasn't notified in the first place.

[Stickybottle]

So to summarise :
Those who alleged they had data and evidence provided absolutely nothing whatsoever to counteract my argument nor back up their assertions and spurious claims ?
Thanks for the confirmations guys
Best wishes for 2022

[Spicerack]

Haven't you brownshorts got a torchlight parade or something to go to, Dr Stick?

[pixie374]

Sticky, it isn't always about data. Sometimes... it's about humans.

[Mamyalynne]

I'm quite sure Nailit doesn't need any more facts, figures and stats (many if us don't).

He's reached his conclusion and that should be left at that.

[Mamyalynne]

* of us

[10ClarionSt]

bobinsomewherecalledwales @ 15.31:

//despite all those umbrellas we buy the rain keeps falling. As it occurred to you that the measures was put in place because infections are rising and would rise faster without them measures//

Those "umbrellas" don't have any material on them. You're putting your umbrella up, but there's no material, just the ribs! Infections would rise faster withpout those measures? Would they? Really? Stop guessing and speculating, and prove it.

[bobbinwales]

//Infections would rise faster withpout those measures? Would they? Really? Stop guessing and speculating, and prove it.//
I see no need to prove it, 10CS. Its so obvious because infection happens when an infected person gets too close to someone and infects them....if everyone tested regular and everyone who was infected kept away from everyone for 2 weeks the virus would die off. Its so obvious. I dont really need 99% of all scientists and doctors to confirm it but they do anyway so any tiny doubt I might of has as gone.

Now can you prove infections wouldnt rise faster without measures like social distancing etc?

[Stickybottle]

Spicerack
Haven't you brownshorts got a torchlight parade or something to go to, Dr Stick?

Spicerack
I could post a few Covid 'conspiracy theories' that turned out to be true, if you like.

2 days and several requests later I am still waiting Spiceroy