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Does Boris Johnson Remain The Best Leader To Head The Government And Fight The Next Election?
A letter in this morning's Telegraph:
'SIR – The parliamentary Conservative Party and its followers should be careful. A Conservative government has two main functions: to govern the country to the best of its ability, and to protect the country from the threat of socialism.
The noise from Labour, the Lib Dems and the SNP, coupled with hysteria from the BBC, ITV and Sky News, should awaken the Conservative Party to the perils of a witch-hunt of Boris Johnson.
Yes, his ability to control civil service “social” events in No 10 is unacceptable at best, but in 2024 he should still be a vote-winner, and I fail to see any other candidate who can protect the country from Jeremy Corbyn Mark 2.'
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Thanks too for your link
Great opening paragraph :
It has not been a happy few weeks for the Conservative Party, and there is no doubt that the tide may be turning against Boris Johnson. The defeat of the Tories in last week’s North Shropshire by-election, a seat they had held for almost 200 years, was achieved as a result of a remarkable thirty-four-point swing to the Liberal Democrats, the second largest Conservative-to-Liberal Democrat swing in British history. Covid rebellions, infighting and tales of lockdown-flouting parties in Number 10, as well as Johnson’s own personal failings, have also undermined the prime minister’s position. The latest high-profile departure came this weekend, with the surprise resignation of Johnson’s chief Brexit negotiator Lord Frost. There are rumours of a Conservative leadership election as early as the summer.
So even your source does not believe Boris is the right man for the job and will be gone by June ?
You need to focus on your OP title
I have no regard for the Labour Party and do not want to see them in power
But your link and the Grassroots Tories bod seem to confirm one thing :
Boris is not fit to lead nor take the Tories to the next GE
Is any of the information provided in my links and yours sinking in yet ?
Are you sure you have got ‘the mood of the country?’
Laughable
Great opening paragraph :
It has not been a happy few weeks for the Conservative Party, and there is no doubt that the tide may be turning against Boris Johnson. The defeat of the Tories in last week’s North Shropshire by-election, a seat they had held for almost 200 years, was achieved as a result of a remarkable thirty-four-point swing to the Liberal Democrats, the second largest Conservative-to-Liberal Democrat swing in British history. Covid rebellions, infighting and tales of lockdown-flouting parties in Number 10, as well as Johnson’s own personal failings, have also undermined the prime minister’s position. The latest high-profile departure came this weekend, with the surprise resignation of Johnson’s chief Brexit negotiator Lord Frost. There are rumours of a Conservative leadership election as early as the summer.
So even your source does not believe Boris is the right man for the job and will be gone by June ?
You need to focus on your OP title
I have no regard for the Labour Party and do not want to see them in power
But your link and the Grassroots Tories bod seem to confirm one thing :
Boris is not fit to lead nor take the Tories to the next GE
Is any of the information provided in my links and yours sinking in yet ?
Are you sure you have got ‘the mood of the country?’
Laughable
He was never the right person in the first place: he was the most attractive proposition for a small, mad period in 2019 during the Brexit chaos (did it need a conman to appear to do a deal with the EU over the border?), and now the party and the country is stuck with him.
I think it is now very unlikely he would lead the Conservatives into the next election, but who knows.
There certainly are plenty of alternatives in his own party, and also relevant is the fact he is no longer facing the hapless Corbyn at the dispatch box. Much as I am sure he wishes he was.
I think it is now very unlikely he would lead the Conservatives into the next election, but who knows.
There certainly are plenty of alternatives in his own party, and also relevant is the fact he is no longer facing the hapless Corbyn at the dispatch box. Much as I am sure he wishes he was.
Just an insight into the mood of the country north of the border :
Downing Street lockdown parties damaging for Union, say Scots
A majority of Scots think the No 10 partygate debacle has damaged the Union, a poll has found.
Some 54 per cent of respondents said the lockdown-breaching parties had hurt it a little or a lot.
Meanwhile, 78 per cent of the Scottish public think that Boris Johnson should resign over the saga.
I wonder if JRM has reconsidered what he said about the leader of the Scottish Conservatives ?
He certainly knows how to alienate Scots with the same ideals !
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Downing Street lockdown parties damaging for Union, say Scots
A majority of Scots think the No 10 partygate debacle has damaged the Union, a poll has found.
Some 54 per cent of respondents said the lockdown-breaching parties had hurt it a little or a lot.
Meanwhile, 78 per cent of the Scottish public think that Boris Johnson should resign over the saga.
I wonder if JRM has reconsidered what he said about the leader of the Scottish Conservatives ?
He certainly knows how to alienate Scots with the same ideals !
https:/
Khandro
Sticy, You read the opening paragraph, did you read on?
I did
Your point is ?
You are obviously confused
You have me down as a Labour supporter
I am anything but and as I said do not really care for them one way or the other
This thread you started is about Boris
Not the opposition
What is your response to the links I provided ?
The ‘lefty poll’ that you referred to that was actually carried out by the head of the Grassroots Tories
Be quick though because atm you are obviously floundering in light of your continued fauxs pas
Sticy, You read the opening paragraph, did you read on?
I did
Your point is ?
You are obviously confused
You have me down as a Labour supporter
I am anything but and as I said do not really care for them one way or the other
This thread you started is about Boris
Not the opposition
What is your response to the links I provided ?
The ‘lefty poll’ that you referred to that was actually carried out by the head of the Grassroots Tories
Be quick though because atm you are obviously floundering in light of your continued fauxs pas
// The noise from Labour, the Lib Dems and the SNP, coupled with hysteria from the BBC, ITV and Sky News //
The writer has missed one vital group from that list - his own MPs. There is discontent in the ranks. Backbench MPs are getting a lot of ear ache from their constituents, many of whom are in extremely marginal seats.
Given a choice between saving their jobs or ditching Johnson, a lot will happily throw Johnson under the bus without a second thought.
The writer has missed one vital group from that list - his own MPs. There is discontent in the ranks. Backbench MPs are getting a lot of ear ache from their constituents, many of whom are in extremely marginal seats.
Given a choice between saving their jobs or ditching Johnson, a lot will happily throw Johnson under the bus without a second thought.
Indeed Gromit
I wonder if Khandro read this bit too from my link ? :
Tory MPs reported being inundated with emails about the issue, with one describing the numbers as “off the scale”. A staffer said a lot of emails to their MP contained “stories of personal hardship from new people, not the regulars”. These were emails they would usually respond to as soon as possible but it was difficult to do so while awaiting the findings of an inquiry by Sue Gray, they said.
In some areas, anger spilled over into vandalism, with the constituency office of Derbyshire MP Robert Largan daubed with the word “lies”, according to pictures on Sunday. Last week the office of Wellingborough MP Peter Bone was graffitied with the word “liar”.
Conservative associations across the country said members were growing increasingly frustrated and some were leaving the party in protest.
“If he doesn’t go soon we will lose all the local elections that are coming up, or very many of them, and do immense damage to the party,” said Ann Stribley, the chairman of Poole Conservative Association. “We have had a number of members saying they can’t continue to be members while Boris [Johnson] is there. It’s been very difficult. A small minority have resigned.”
If I am supposedly out of step with the public mood then the OP creator is positively tripping himself up !
I wonder if Khandro read this bit too from my link ? :
Tory MPs reported being inundated with emails about the issue, with one describing the numbers as “off the scale”. A staffer said a lot of emails to their MP contained “stories of personal hardship from new people, not the regulars”. These were emails they would usually respond to as soon as possible but it was difficult to do so while awaiting the findings of an inquiry by Sue Gray, they said.
In some areas, anger spilled over into vandalism, with the constituency office of Derbyshire MP Robert Largan daubed with the word “lies”, according to pictures on Sunday. Last week the office of Wellingborough MP Peter Bone was graffitied with the word “liar”.
Conservative associations across the country said members were growing increasingly frustrated and some were leaving the party in protest.
“If he doesn’t go soon we will lose all the local elections that are coming up, or very many of them, and do immense damage to the party,” said Ann Stribley, the chairman of Poole Conservative Association. “We have had a number of members saying they can’t continue to be members while Boris [Johnson] is there. It’s been very difficult. A small minority have resigned.”
If I am supposedly out of step with the public mood then the OP creator is positively tripping himself up !
Sticky, Your link to the Guardian was by Jessica Murray, Aubrey Allegretti, Steven Morris and Mark Brown.
And you should realise as the rest of my article points out that random polling people asking HOW they intend to vote without asking WHERE they are going to vote is a pointless exercise, it's all about marginals.
And you should realise as the rest of my article points out that random polling people asking HOW they intend to vote without asking WHERE they are going to vote is a pointless exercise, it's all about marginals.
Khandro
Sticky, Your link to the Guardian was by Jessica Murray, Aubrey Allegretti, Steven Morris and Mark Brown.
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Sigh
For the hard of understanding :
Yes it was compiled by those journalists
But who was the source of their information ?
Yep
You guessed it
Ed Costelloe, chairman of Grassroots Conservatives
Given all the links and evidence vastly to the contrary and the thoughts and reasoning of prominent and senior conservatives over the past week do you still really believe in the question in your OP ?
Take time again to read the links and inwardly digest before you answer
Sticky, Your link to the Guardian was by Jessica Murray, Aubrey Allegretti, Steven Morris and Mark Brown.
———
Sigh
For the hard of understanding :
Yes it was compiled by those journalists
But who was the source of their information ?
Yep
You guessed it
Ed Costelloe, chairman of Grassroots Conservatives
Given all the links and evidence vastly to the contrary and the thoughts and reasoning of prominent and senior conservatives over the past week do you still really believe in the question in your OP ?
Take time again to read the links and inwardly digest before you answer
I went through the rage and anger bit at first. Now I think that Boris should stay IF, and only if, he has truly been shocked into becoming serious, buckling down to the job and getting back to the policies on which he was elected - e.g. no-one said anything about bankrupting us with Green policies. He needs to get tough about N.I. protocol as well and sort it out.
I find it hard to think of anyone who could replace him and also it's his mess and he should clear it up.
Otherwise, I do wonder if Sir David Frost would be the only one with the experience and strength to pull everything back together. I know that the other potential contenders fill me with horror, especially Gove.
I find it hard to think of anyone who could replace him and also it's his mess and he should clear it up.
Otherwise, I do wonder if Sir David Frost would be the only one with the experience and strength to pull everything back together. I know that the other potential contenders fill me with horror, especially Gove.
jourdain; //I know that the other potential contenders fill me with horror, especially Gove.//
Oh there's a lot worse than that, it depends how 'woke' you want it.
Katy Balls writes in the current Spectator:
"The dark horse candidate is Nadhim Zahawi. Promoted to cabinet in the autumn reshuffle, the Education Secretary is a relatively new face. His supporters are making a three-pronged pitch to MPs: He was Vaccines Minister during the rollout. He polls well with the public [?] and his backstory sets him apart: arriving in Britain as a refugee aged nine speaking no English."
Or Boris?
Oh there's a lot worse than that, it depends how 'woke' you want it.
Katy Balls writes in the current Spectator:
"The dark horse candidate is Nadhim Zahawi. Promoted to cabinet in the autumn reshuffle, the Education Secretary is a relatively new face. His supporters are making a three-pronged pitch to MPs: He was Vaccines Minister during the rollout. He polls well with the public [?] and his backstory sets him apart: arriving in Britain as a refugee aged nine speaking no English."
Or Boris?
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