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I watched this on Netflix today and wished I hadn't as it was uncomfortable viewing. Felt sick and angry with some of the graphic detail given by some of his poor victims who have been scarred for life.
Growing up in the 70s and 80s I'd never heard of pedophilia and the first time I did was in a series of Prime Suspect in the early 90s with a very young Danny Dyer. I obviously led a sheltered life up till then and couldn't believe such hideous things like that actually happened. I don't remember seeing cases like that on news and now realise how much of it was covered up.
Growing up in the 70s and 80s I'd never heard of pedophilia and the first time I did was in a series of Prime Suspect in the early 90s with a very young Danny Dyer. I obviously led a sheltered life up till then and couldn't believe such hideous things like that actually happened. I don't remember seeing cases like that on news and now realise how much of it was covered up.
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I have watched about half of the programme so far.
What comes over, as it always does, when people look back on heinous crimes, is the overwhelming sense of hindsight, conscious and subconscious, that everyone, audience and contributors alike, bring either to the progamme, or their reaction to it.
There is one part where Savile is saying something about 'Making young ladies squirm and say 'Ouch' when we hurt them ...' and everyone simultaneously thinking - that was a sign right there.
Except it wasn't.
Virtually everything that came out of Jimmy Savile's mouth when a camera was there was one-hundred-per-cent gobbledygook.
He never said a sensible thing, it was all stream-of-conciousness rubbish, and after a while it simply became white noise.
No-one took what he said seriously, because he carefully built up a persona of someone who never said anything worth listening to.
And underneath, he was both a seriously clever and valued advisor to businesses and the royal family on matters of public relations, and a predatory paedophile.
But the public persona never really gave any real hint of the private and deeply strange man, and that was why he got away with it throughout his entire life.
What comes over, as it always does, when people look back on heinous crimes, is the overwhelming sense of hindsight, conscious and subconscious, that everyone, audience and contributors alike, bring either to the progamme, or their reaction to it.
There is one part where Savile is saying something about 'Making young ladies squirm and say 'Ouch' when we hurt them ...' and everyone simultaneously thinking - that was a sign right there.
Except it wasn't.
Virtually everything that came out of Jimmy Savile's mouth when a camera was there was one-hundred-per-cent gobbledygook.
He never said a sensible thing, it was all stream-of-conciousness rubbish, and after a while it simply became white noise.
No-one took what he said seriously, because he carefully built up a persona of someone who never said anything worth listening to.
And underneath, he was both a seriously clever and valued advisor to businesses and the royal family on matters of public relations, and a predatory paedophile.
But the public persona never really gave any real hint of the private and deeply strange man, and that was why he got away with it throughout his entire life.
No one knew any better back then. I can't recall when the first case of this kind came to light but it paved the way for others to come out of the woodwork. Could it have been GG? Many of these horrific cases have and are still coming to light now particularly in the media and film industry, Catholic Church etc. The victims deserve justice.
A-H
Quite correct and what I think you are saying is it is not what you say, but who you are.
This is and has been for decades in Medicine as I have heard some cringworthy statements made by colleagues, gullibly accepted because of " who they were."
This is the case of JS.
Of course one has to get to that elevated status and that gift is endowed upon very few.
Quite correct and what I think you are saying is it is not what you say, but who you are.
This is and has been for decades in Medicine as I have heard some cringworthy statements made by colleagues, gullibly accepted because of " who they were."
This is the case of JS.
Of course one has to get to that elevated status and that gift is endowed upon very few.
I've watched it- and it is always easy to see the signs in hindsight. But, at the time, he was untouchable, and as sqad says- they were different times. It was quite normal then to make weird remarks about women, and just be seen as "a bit of a lad". He wasn't stupid.
This is something my sister and I didn't even bother to tell each other at the time... until everything came out later- but at SM, where my grandad volunteered, Savile invited us both, separately, to "come and see his office", as young teenagers. We both declined... as he was always very creepy anyway. After that, our grandad seriously warned us to keep away from him (we never told him). He had reported him and given concerns, and he was a QC. But- Savile was famous.
This is something my sister and I didn't even bother to tell each other at the time... until everything came out later- but at SM, where my grandad volunteered, Savile invited us both, separately, to "come and see his office", as young teenagers. We both declined... as he was always very creepy anyway. After that, our grandad seriously warned us to keep away from him (we never told him). He had reported him and given concerns, and he was a QC. But- Savile was famous.
Sqad - //
A-H
Quite correct and what I think you are saying is it is not what you say, but who you are.
This is and has been for decades in Medicine as I have heard some cringworthy statements made by colleagues, gullibly accepted because of " who they were."
This is the case of JS.
Of course one has to get to that elevated status and that gift is endowed upon very few. //
I think this is a vital aspect of Savile's situation that is overlooked in hindsight.
With that 20-20 hindsight we all possess, yes we can see he was weird, and creepy, and deeply odd.
But at the time, the man was an absolute god-on-earth - he could have taken a pee on the BBC Director General's carpet and someone would have said it was good for the pile.
And that sort of power opens a million doors, and allows a system of indulgence and largesse that the rest of us could not begin to dream of.
That is the world that Savile ruled for so long, and used so much to his own depraved ends.
I remember reading, back when I was a night-club DJ, that twenty percent of the female dancers will fancy the DJ, simply because he is in control of the entire atmosphere, regardless of what he looks like.
That is the world Savile started out in, as the original club DJ, and his ability to use that appeal only ever escalated as his fame grew, and he knew exactly how to manipulate and exploit it.
I always adored his individual Leeds accent, and still do, even though of course it is now tempered by knowledge of who he was underneath that unique public persona.
A-H
Quite correct and what I think you are saying is it is not what you say, but who you are.
This is and has been for decades in Medicine as I have heard some cringworthy statements made by colleagues, gullibly accepted because of " who they were."
This is the case of JS.
Of course one has to get to that elevated status and that gift is endowed upon very few. //
I think this is a vital aspect of Savile's situation that is overlooked in hindsight.
With that 20-20 hindsight we all possess, yes we can see he was weird, and creepy, and deeply odd.
But at the time, the man was an absolute god-on-earth - he could have taken a pee on the BBC Director General's carpet and someone would have said it was good for the pile.
And that sort of power opens a million doors, and allows a system of indulgence and largesse that the rest of us could not begin to dream of.
That is the world that Savile ruled for so long, and used so much to his own depraved ends.
I remember reading, back when I was a night-club DJ, that twenty percent of the female dancers will fancy the DJ, simply because he is in control of the entire atmosphere, regardless of what he looks like.
That is the world Savile started out in, as the original club DJ, and his ability to use that appeal only ever escalated as his fame grew, and he knew exactly how to manipulate and exploit it.
I always adored his individual Leeds accent, and still do, even though of course it is now tempered by knowledge of who he was underneath that unique public persona.
I’m definitely not saying Savile was not guilty, evil, etc, and I’m definitely not saying his accusers are not telling the truth. But, although this docu repeats the known fact that about 400 people came forward after Savile died with claims against him, (as far as I could see) only two appeared on camera here and their accounts were not challenged as they would have been in court. In fact, I doubt the evidence collected in these programmes would have led to much of a sentence for Savile. Historical crimes not recorded at the time are almost impossible to prove, and it would appear Savile did what he did in total secret. Experts interviewed for this docu admit they couldn’t even find evidence of any girls he’d dated. And of course in his lifetime Savile was never charged with any crime.
I already did in this thread, such as Marcus Marcussen
https:/
David Keeney https:/
Mark North https:/
This 85 year old man did admit to his much earlier crimes https:/
Stephen Hepher https:/
88 year old man found guilty of historic offences https:/
There are many, many examples if you care to search for them
https:/
David Keeney https:/
Mark North https:/
This 85 year old man did admit to his much earlier crimes https:/
Stephen Hepher https:/
88 year old man found guilty of historic offences https:/
There are many, many examples if you care to search for them
