Lip-Reading

[Khandro]

Employing 'lip-readers' & reporting what they think has been said in the press seems to be in vogue at the moment. Is this not an intrusion of privacy on a par with phone-hacking? in fact is this not worse, because with a voice recording you have the evidence of what was said, with lip-reading you may have only what they think was said & it is impossible to corroborate?

[jno]

they should perhaps appoint a Ventriloquist Royal to teach them to keep stiff upper lips as they talk. (Ultimately, I'm not joking.)

[Peter Pedant]

Is this not an intrusion of privacy on a par with phone-hacking? in fact is this not.
chrissakes, the lip readers are not up a chimney with periscopes

the speakers are in public. (*)

and now you know why lawyers in court put their manicured hands up to their expensively dentured mouths

25 y ago - the wife of a defendant lip read a lawyer answering a question from his own team in a whisper " no we cant say that (X). we havent disclosed the documents" - and then he went onto to plead (not-X) the opposite
My god didnt we have fun !

[Peter Pedant]

(*) just to recap - phone hacking involved third parties ( the hacks and journos) accessing conversations they didnt have

it is lawful ( one sided consent) if you (A) are talking to B to record A and B without B's consent. Clearly you consent.

anyway Harry ( veteran recorder of conversations) didnt say anything good did he? " Who is that stupid woman in front of me? The tip of her bicorn is going straight up my nose!" )

The case of Mellor ( now Lord Mellor) being honey-potted by Pamela ( " I am not a prostitute - I made no money out of it you know") Bordes is more complicated. She rented a room. The bug which incriminated Mellor ( he liked making luuuurve in football kit) was put in by her landlord - who was also Mossad. - so it was held to be lawful

[Khandro]

PP Do try to keep up. I said earlier; 'The King & Queen were alone in a private carriage in the covered, windowed entrance to Buckingham Palace.' by no means is this "in public".

[Peter Pedant]

oh god they were in a carriage
surrounded by 50 000 adoring Londoners
and followed by a billion royalists world over on tv
and they were in private

you're a Harry and Meghan supporter arent you?

( in law - no actually - you cant make luuuuurve in a car and say you were loving it in a private place)

[Hazlinny]

[jno]

thanks, haz. Yes, the next step is "body language experts".

[andy-hughes]

The simple fact is, people of interest to the public are liable to have their photographs taken, or their lips read, in absolutely any situation where easy access to their faces is available.

That means that people who are of interest need either to confine their conversation to non-interesting topics when on view, or accept that anything they say is fair game for a voracious media, driven by society at large.