The Penal System In Some Countries Around The World Is Quite Appalling

[Hymie]

This video mentions one prisoner who has been in jail for 11 years for stealing a mobile phone, and another 18 years for trying to steal a coat – I could murder someone and probably serve less time – shocking, what is going on in this country.

 

[douglas9401]

Am I being groomed?

[ToraToraTora]

...and it's all the fault of brexit?

[New Judge]

Whose penal systems are you criticising?

You mention the long terms in prison elsewhere for relatively minor crimes, then compare that to the ridiculously lenient sentences imposed in this country for the most serious of all crimes, then finish by asking "what is going on in this country?"

What is going on here is that hand wringing liberals have, over the past few decades, overseen the reduction of prison sentences for serious crimes. What goes on elsewhere is their business. ludicrously low levels. 

[THECORBYLOON]

NJ,"this country" is the UK.

[royfromaus]

This video mentions one prisoner who has been in jail for 11 years for stealing a mobile phone, and another 18 years for trying to steal a coat

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Concurrent or consecutive? 

[Hymie]

Two different people (prisoners/sentances).

[Ellipsis]

It's talking about “imprisonment for public protection” (IPP) orders, that were abolished in 2012, but some people who were under them before 2012 are still imprisoned under them. See also:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/18/jail-law-britain-prisoners-ipp-sentences

In 2012, after widespread condemnation and a ruling by the European court of human rights that such sentences were “arbitrary and therefore unlawful”, IPP terms were abolished by the Conservative government. But the measure was not retrospective. As of the end of last year, 2,892 IPP prisoners remained behind bars. Of these, 1,498 were recalled back to prison and 1,394 had never been released; of this latter group, almost 97% of prisoners were more than two years past their tariff date, and nearly half were 10 years beyond it. Victoria was released at the beginning of this year, after serving more than 15 years of a 21-month tariff.

 

[johnk]

All depends on what they did in prison

[New Judge]

NJ,"this country" is the UK.

Thanks Corby.

So are the two mentioned, who have served 18 an 11 years, in this country? That's where I'm confused because the thread title is "The Penal System In Some Countries Around The World Is Quite Appalling.". I don't class the UK as among "some countries around the world" and I'm not watching five or ten minutes of YouTube drivel when one or two lines of text will explain the point to be made. I assumed that, in view of the title, those prisoners were elsewhere.

So what else have they done apart from stealing a phone and attempting to steal a coat that warranted their incarceration? If you give me their names I'll try to find out. One thing is for sure - they've certainly done more than that.

[barry1010]

There are people in the UK who have been detained in secure hospital for decades for trivial offences, such as Tony Hickman.  He is an autistic man who has only recently been released despite being declared fit for discharge over 10 years ago.

He did not have an easy ride in that hospital 

[Canary42]

You can't blame the hand wringing liberals - how often do our out-of-touch Judges pass the maximum sentence ?

[smurfchops]

This country is a soft touch and has lost the plot.  Goodbye England, you are no more. 

[Ellipsis]

NJ, check my post of 23:54.  The "appallingness" is around IPP sentences.

[THECORBYLOON]

NJ, https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2023-09-21/prisoner-released-after-18-years-in-jail-for-trying-to-steal-coat-and-phone