More Death By T R O B.....

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/grace-omalley-kumar-family-hail-hero-daughter-killed-in-nottingham-attacks-who-tried-to-save-friend-13054373

Why was this savage not in the slammer for his previous crimes?

[vulcan42]

 

Redhelen - I can't think of any area of life where I 'know best'.

preceded by

In some areas I absolutely AM superior!!!

[Old_Geezer]

As I understand it, he was diagnosed as having mental issues well before; so this seems to be another failure on the part of authorities to ensure he was in a suitable asylum for the protection of the public. I know it's a difficult job making such decisions but it should be what those involved are trained to do. The public, especially the victim's and their family/friends, have been badly let down again.

[andy-hughes]

Vulcan - I'm sorry if my ironic humour was too subtle for you.

[retrocop]

Going out armed with a dagger would give rise to thinking it was pre-mediated murder. He certainly was compos mentis enough to ring his brother after the slaughter and advise him to get his family out of country as he knew he had done something wrong and stupid.

 

///During the three-day hearing, the court heard how Calocane, a mechanical engineering graduate from the University of Nottingham, hid in the shadows in Ilkeston Road at around 4am on 13 June armed with a dagger before beginning his attack on Barnaby and Grace as they walked back to their student accommodation after an end-of-term night out.

Witness evidence read to the court described “an awful, blood curdling scream” as Calocane inflicted at least 10 stab wounds on Barnaby and then 23 separate dagger wounds on Grace, who was attacked as she tried to protect her friend.

The killer then walked slowly through the Radford area to Mapperley Park, ringing his brother to say “This will be the last time I speak to you. Take the family out of the country”.

Asked if he was going to do something stupid, Calocane told his brother: “It’s already done.”//

[andy-hughes]

retrocop - // Going out armed with a dagger would give rise to thinking it was pre-mediated murder. //

But thinking is not the same as proving - is it?

You as an ex-police officer know that as well as anyone.

[retrocop]

It would appear that no one including Notts constabulary , admitted by their Chief Constable, attempted to investigate the possibility of pre-meditation. He was just written off easily as a mental health problem and the buck passed to show failures by the health service.

[davebro3]

Should be hung IMV - not molly-coddled in some hospital for the rest of his miserable life.

[davebro3]

If you kill someone while you're drunk out of your skull you have "diminshed responsibility" but you still get done for murder.

[andy-hughes]

davebro - // If you kill someone while you're drunk out of your skull you have "diminshed responsibility" but you still get done for murder. //

Again I am not speaking from knowledge, but I am sure the 'Diminished Responsibility' clause comes as an adjunt to a Manslaughter charge, rather than a Murder charge

[THECORBYLOON]

Two of the four  conditions that need to be sstis for diminished responsibilities to apply are

"(1) D was suffering from an ‘abnormality of mental functioning’; and
 
(2) the abnormality of mental functioning must have arisen ‘from a recognised medical condition’"
...

"The abnormality of mental functioning must arise ‘from a recognised medical condition’. Whether something is a medical condition is capable of being answered by an expert, but the question is not one of medicine but of law. This was confirmed in Dowds, in which the Court of Appeal held that even though voluntary ‘acute intoxication’ is a medical condition, in that it is recognised as being such by both diagnostic medical manuals, it is not a ‘recognised medical condition’ for the purposes of establishing diminished responsibility." [emphasis added]

[davebro3]

I think it was a matter of expediency - so many crimes are committed after consumption of alcohol that it would be a massive loophole to allow drunkeness as a plea for leniency.