Why Is Death An Enemy.

[locust]

 

 

If we become seriously ill, do we just accept the condition and give up? No. Usually, we visit a physician and perhaps take medicine to combat the disease. In fact, we do all we reasonably can to avoid dying

 The Bible says regarding humans that God has “put eternity in their heart. ” (Eccl. 3:11)

[locust]

Naomi 24 Sun 23rd Jun 2024 Only crooks and weirdos demand ransoms.

Locust. why are you making yourself superior to our grand instructor and creator when he formed the universe with his awesome power?. we cannot even make a blade of grass. so you make yourself foodless in the face of our grand instructor and to be honest you fear death as much as I do. because it is not in us. and you do, the same as I do, I go to a physician, to get his opinion on any illness we have .

Ransom answer. With your knowledge of the scriptures. you keep telling me. you cannot see. the importance. of that Ransom. so - why did God use ransom in his diary?. he said this. why did he have to use another human? equal human. Adam was human so Jesus had to be human to equal a ransom? .to save some of our lives for the many? without that ransom, humankind could not be saved because of their disobedience including us. I would have thought better of you. and you cannot see, our creator was the victim, the injured party. your so-called crooks. but our creator paid that Ransom. through his son. every single human. On this earth. Without ransom?, no human could be cleansed, of their sins of disobedience.

John 3,16.17

American Standard Version. act 24. 15 having hope toward God, which these also look for, that there shall be a resurrection of the just and unjust.16 Herein I also exercise myself to have a conscience void of offence toward God and men always . Malachi 3:16.17

[Atheist]

"we cannot even make a blade of grass. so you make yourself foodless in the face of our grand instructor"

It's me who digs my plot, sows seeds and looks after the plants. Occasionally a neighbour might give me a hand, but god does nothing (why should he? He doesn't need to eat)

Not only does he not help me, he has never even given me advice or friendly tips.

 

[sandyRoe]

And he brings droughts or floods to destroy the crops.  If he did exist he could fairly be described as a sadistic so and so.

[naomi24]

Locust, please stop quoting the Bible to me.  I know what's in it - I've read it several times and it doesn't impress.   

Why am I making myself superior to your grand instructor?  He's not mine.  Because his record speaks volumes about his nature - a monstrous megalomaniac, spiteful, cruel and unjust - and as a less than perfect human being my moral code far outstrips his.

 

If you really want to know what I think, I think he was probably a visitor from another planet.  Perhaps you should think about that.

[vulcan42]

One day a man stopped beside a beautiful garden. He saw the gardener and called to him,"that is a magnificent garden". "Thank you said the gardener I've spent the last twenty years building and tending it. The visitor said "no doubt with a little help from our Lord". The gardener replied, I'm not so sure about that, you should have seen it when he looked after it by himself.

Atheist reminded me of it.

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[naomi24]

Love it!!  😂

[Old_Geezer]

There's a ransom involved ? Who or what has been "kidnapped" ? Surely not committed by some deity ? Not by any righteous one anyway.

 

If Jesus gives humans hope in the promise of resurrection it can only be the example of his own survival after bodily death. Something we can then, if we choose to, use to believe that we all must continue. It makes no sense whatsoever to conclude that his bodily death achieved any saving for the rest of us. There is no sensible indication that it would, no logical argument that it might. IMO it is clearly a fantasy thought up as part of certain religions. (All religions make guesses to fill in the bits they have no evidence for.)

 

As for allowing us to live again on a perfect earth free from war, famine, and disease. Why ? If your spirit has grown and moved on to a better, spiritual place; if this planet survives to finally be some kind of perfect paradise, why return rather than stay in the spiritual realms ? Again it makes no sense.

 

Stay where the love is unconditional, where you are in bliss instead, and let the Earth be.

[naomi24]

OG, I think I'm right in saying the JWs believe that when you die you go to the grave and stay there until the end of the world when they will be physically resurrected and the rest of us will stay there - dead.

[Peter Pedant]

Unsure what your last sentence has to do with that before it.

OG dont even try: this is AB

only crooks demand ransoms. Keep it clean please. I thought this was full on 1 Corinthians 15 55 - "Oh  death where is thy  sting -oh  death  where is thy victory?" - perhaps with a passing nod at "Let the dead bury the dead"  Mt 8.22

(St Paul - kinda needs knowledge of the views on death of  the people he was addressing ( er Corinthians).)

I certainly would NOT say Christianity was a funerary religion in the same sense as Ancient Egypt. Nibyt or Nebw (Komombo) the priests tried to mummify every crocdile they found.

[Peter Pedant]

(All religions make guesses to fill in the bits they have no evidence for.)

o god that is why they are religions and not sciences chrissakes. Divine revelation and all that.

Filling in the bits in between does occur in Science as well ( interpollation) 

 

[naomi24]

PS.  144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses are destined for heaven - most if not all are believed to already be there - the rest will inhabit a perfect earth forever.

[Old_Geezer]

The absurdity of that view should be obvious to all, but I guess it's difficult to try to apply a little rationality to the thinking of a subject that is basically faith based,  and so for which anything goes.

[sandyRoe]

A thousand gross isn't ready a big number.  

Will the rest of us who will live on a perfect world be fit and healthy or will we  bring our ailments with us and be condemned to an eternity of aches and pains?

[naomi24]

sandyRoe, unless you're a Jehovah's Witness you'll be dead so no aches and pains.  They will enjoy full health.

[sandyRoe]

Jammy sods.  ;-)

[naomi24]

Well, they constantly tell us we have a choice.  Personally, I wouldn't want to spend eternity with them.

[Old_Geezer]

No need to. They go to the soundproof section so they can believe they're the only ones who made it.

[naomi24]

😉

[youngmafbog]

Goodnes me that would be prgatory, could you imagine to continual banging on your front door?

[naomi24]

The Abrahamic religions are horrible really.  They're all about dying.   Without the imagined prospect of cheating death God would be redundant.