Kaba Was Core Member Of Brixton Drugs Gang.....

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/chris-kaba-was-gunman-in-nightclub-shooting-days-before-he-was-killed-13234555

Who'd have thunk it eh? So they drag a copper over the coals for years and acquit in less than 3 hours. That copper did us all a favour, I look forward to the New Years Honour's list.

[naomi24]

//Some criminals get anonymity.

noop - no one accused to murder has been  granted anonymooty//

 

Don't bother to re-read my post, Peter Pedant.  You didn't understand it the first time, so I doubt a second reading will prove any more successful.  

[Peter Pedant]

AND no mattter how much you squawk - there is a the coroners court ( we know Kaba is dead but as the system might say - so what?) - and THAT is on the balance of probability

What puzzles me is.....

why the judge stayed silent - NJ of course silly !

If you have an general immuity for the police to shoot er people they dont like - currently being demanded

then you transfer the guilt finding process ( trial  to you proles) from a trial to   ....  a man  at a desk with a rubber stamp.

and THAT is not public justice

[Peter Pedant]

  You didn't understand it the first time, so I doubt a second reading will prove any more successful.  

Mamalynne ( bless) warned me not to read oyur posts too  many times.

and in case it didnt get froo to you - no person accused of murder has been accorded anonymity. The judge accepted this argument

( shoplifting and parking on yellow lines: yes)

[naomi24]

Peter Pedant, I didn't mention murder.  I said criminals.  Perhaps that will get froo to you....

[Peter Pedant]

Peter Pedant, I didn't mention murder.

hullooooo -  I did - NS121 was indicted for murder and no one accused of murder ( for the third time) has been accorded  anonymity

To Ynni : hahahahahahahahahahah you so funny!

[Peter Pedant]

Peter,not saying anything,      and then ynni says something !

mainstream AB on a wednesday I think

[naomi24]

Peter Pedant, I know you did - but I didn't.  Take a breath.   Your rambling and your penchant for picking up on my posts is getting the better of you again.

[Peter Pedant]

Peter Pedant, I know you did  - excellent ! a fourth time ( it is about a death. Hardly  picky, but this is AB and you are a mod)

no one indicted for murder has been accorded anonymity

( correct answer: yes Peter that is quite true)

[New Judge]

“Kaba was unarmed…”

No he was not. He had under his control a powerful car weighing over two tons. And a simple glance at the footage illustrated he was prepared to use it to cause injury or even death to anybody who  got in his way.

“…and no one accused of murder ( for the third time) has been accorded  anonymity”

Every person under 18 (for the first and only time) is granted anonymity when accused of murder (or any other criminal offence). If such a blanket privilege can be afforded to young people it can be done likewise for armed police officers who kill somebody in the course of their duty (*but see below). Many young people retain that anonymity even if they are convicted. Some are provided with new identities and lifelong anonymity after release. These should also be considerations for those officers. 

“do I agree with  secret police  justice ?”

This is not about secret police justice. Any lawyer looking at the footage and knowing the lead up to it would have realised that not only was there no realistic chance of a conviction of the officer, but that there was not a cat in Hell’s chance of one. There was only one reason why Sergeant Blake was stood up at the Old Bailey – because not to have done so would have upset the “local community”.  That same community knew of Kaba’s background, his lifestyle and his propensity for extreme violence. The jury didn’t but still they acquitted Sergeant Blake. What they saw and heard of the incident alone was enough.

* It was pleasing to learn that firearms officers facing trial over shooting suspects are to be given anonymity unless they are convicted under reforms announced by the Home Secretary today. It was  good start. Next she needs to devise ways to ensure that firearms officers do not find themselves in the dock as a matter of routine just to preserve “social cohesion.” 

[THECORBYLOON]

NJ, 'Next she needs to devise ways to ensure that firearms officers do not find themselves in the dock as a matter of routine just to preserve “social cohesion.”'

https://theweek.com/law/the-rules-for-armed-police-in-the-uk

"Since 1990, police in England and Wales have shot and killed 83 people, according to Inquest, an independent organisation that monitors and records fatal police shootings."

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-jermaine-baker-old-bailey-england-wales-b1189160.html

Four officers have been prosecuted in the same period.

As less than five per cent of officers have been prosecuted after a fatal shooting, it is hardly accurate to claim they, "find themselves in the dock as a matter of routine" is it?

[Peter Pedant]

verb sap from CBL

I havent used Latin for a long time: I thought it deserved an outing

[Peter Pedant]

“Kaba was unarmed…”

No he was not. He had under his control a powerful car 

Is this serious? -  does that mean that if I go out with my muvva in law, I could  be charged with possession of an offensive weapon ?

 

[New Judge]

"Is this serious? -  does that mean that if I go out with my muvva in law, I could  be charged with possession of an offensive weapon ?"

Depends, Peter.

If you and your Muvva in law are told to stop by the police, refuse to do so, are pursued and eventually boxed in by their cars, and you then use yours to attempt to ram your way out of the roadblock, you may find yourself accused of  little more than that.

To say Kaba was "unarmed" because he didn't have a firearm misdescribes the situation. He had the equipment to inflict some very serious injury on those around him and, if he hadn't been stopped, would almost certainly have done so.

That was what happened. It's as clear as day and was not disputed. Anybody caught by the Audi, especially if they were between it and one of the other parked vehicles, would come a very poor second.

This was the basis of Sergeant Blake's defence. He feared for the safety of himself and of those around him. Anybody in that position would. Anybody else would run away to safety. However, he couldn't.

"As less than five per cent of officers have been prosecuted after a fatal shooting, it is hardly accurate to claim they, "find themselves in the dock as a matter of routine" is it?"

No it's not Corby. But feelings (mine in particular) are running unusually high over this matter.

There is only one reason why Sergeant Blake was charged with murder - and that's because it was feared what might kick off in Brixton and other similar areas if he wasn't.

Some legal decisions to prosecute or not are now being taken with "social cohesion" (i.e. preventing riots) uppermost. There was not a chance of Sergeant Blake being convicted by a jury at the Old Bailey drawn at random.

The CPS must have realised this. As well as perhaps misrepresentting the results of their evidential test, the CPS seems to have operated their "public interest" test with only a small minority of the public in mind. The question they really should have asked is "Would the public generally  like to see a police firearms officer charged with murder in these circumstances?" Instead they seem to have asked "Would Kaba's familiy, friends and "business associates in and around Brixton" be happy to see us take no action against Sergeant Blake? And what might happen on the streets iftthat is our decision?"

The CPS and their political masters are treading a very dangerous path.