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Assisted Dying, Here's Where It Leads.....

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ToraToraTora | 09:17 Mon 25th Nov 2024 | News
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https://news.sky.com/story/depressed-and-desperate-to-die-has-assisted-dying-in-canada-crossed-the-line-13258336

"But although Canada's MAiD was originally intended to be used in exceptional circumstances, repeated challenges have extended the programme to include disability. " - remind you of anything?

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I don' object to the concept of assisted dying Elipsis, I just didnt accept your arguement at 15.58, they are not the same thing.assisted dying is a very complicated issue which needs a lot of thought and debate and should not be rushed through Parliament, I watched a programme with Pru Leith and her son, an MP, of the Canadian experience. Pru was very much for,...
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tomus42: "There's nothing in that article that indicates assisted dying leads to anywhere horrific ttt." - then you have not read it or not understood the implications.

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"No mentions of grannies being trundled into the gas chambers in their wheelchairs by greedy relatives." - not yet but Canada is very close and we are about to follow. Read the BA.

"If anything, it sounds like more people are wanting to make use of it than are currently allowed to."

but that includes people who want to use it because of severe mental illness. lots of people experience suicidal ideation and lots of people also recover from it. it is irresponsible in the extreme to allow such people a state-assisted death because they are by definition not of sound mind.

here are two examples of young women in their 20s who were allowed to be voluntarily euthanised by dutch authorities on the grounds of mental illness 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-45117163.amp
 

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/may/16/dutch-woman-euthanasia-approval-grounds-of-mental-suffering

another young woman in her 20s was allowed to die because she had ME, which is not a terminal illness 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/euthanasia-netherlands-young-woman-me-160503238.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAARZ9aMb_ni4803SCJay2yt7oJtKMp_ECYju-fk5UdYzrDJj_ZPXz8YRXchH9304QcntQecVxh_kH19FEjaiMgcDSO57j4kEAQym2oCEsmnGOeheAzDqNEPpTdyaQrMuGBNu7YbCDm8jd6d56fj79sezH_ggTorOvXDpeXbdyLDY

many people with painful disabilities experience times when they feel suicidal due to the pain and debilitation... and then get through it. i spent time last weekend with a friend i love very much who has a chronic disability and has experienced suicidal thoughts. he is much better now, but it's not hard to imagine a scenario in which he would have been euthanised when he was at his worst because he said he wanted it. he doesn't now. 
 

i think this policy will have absolutely horrifying unintended consequences... especially for the disabled and the mentally ill. 

 

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10:02 if someone really wants to go and they are physically able then they can do it themselves in many ways. It seems they want to make a fuss about doing it and that is really a cry for help. Especially the "mental" issue cases.

I think I'd be against it.  As I get older I might be considered a burden on the state, need expensive medical interventions, and my heirs might start asking themselves, 'Why doesn't he go?'.

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